Chiefs What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade

DTLB58 · 01:14 AM

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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-20...with-a-kiss/3/

Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future.

The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft.

Surrendered
QB Alex Smith

Acquired*
DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

* Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out.
Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks.

Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.”

This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing.

Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded:

Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone.
Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time.
Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.”
Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down.
Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group.
I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.”

DTLB58 · 05-12-2014, 01:20 AM

I like how they explained in the paragraph about when it got hectic when the phones were ringing and all the trades were going down but they were still thinking about the player they wanted to get out of all of this. Carlos Hyde. It's just like the thread I started before the draft about Jimmy Johnson. He wasn't a BPA guy or a need guy he just went after the guy he wanted! Mostly by making trades. And here is Baalke doing the same damn thing and winning.
I can't stress this enough, I Focking hate the way Dorsey just sits by and waits and plays the damn board for BPA. Hate it!

kcchiefsus · 05-12-2014, 01:43 AM

Agreed. It's annoying as **** watching this sit with their dicks tucked in their asses while other teams are able to wheel and deal and acquire a buttload of picks.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-12-2014, 05:13 AM

That should be a humbling article for a lot of Chiefs homers, because it illustrates the differences between a scout and a general manager.

kcchiefsus · 05-12-2014, 05:19 AM

I think somebody needs to make sure John Dorsey sees this article.

There's no reason why he can't be capable of doing that kind of stuff if he makes the effort. Even if he is more of a scout now than an all around general manager he can develop into a better gm if he's not too stubborn. At least, I hope so.

TEX · 05-12-2014, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Agreed. It's annoying as **** watching this sit with their dicks tucked in their asses while other teams are able to wheel and deal and acquire a buttload of picks.

Happens most every year regardless of who the GM is...

OldSchool · 05-12-2014, 05:40 AM

They need to hire someone who is as good as Paraag.

**LoneWolf** · 05-12-2014, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That should be a humbling article for a lot of Chiefs homers, because it illustrates the differences between a scout and a general manager.

Baalke is a former scout. What he has been able to do is take a commodity and flip it for picks. He has been able to use those picks to acquire extra picks and he has hit on a few of those picks with great players.

It's easy to be the best poker player in the room when you have the best cards. His situation is very similar to Jimmy Johnson who was able to make a huge trade involving a commodity on his team and then hit on a few of those picks. Those situations don't come along very often and when they aren't available the GM usually starts to look average again. Case in point, Jimmy Johnson in Miami. He didn't have a Herschel Walker to trade and he looked rather pedestrian in his time there.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Baalke is a former scout. What he has been able to do is take a commodity and flip it for picks. He has been able to use those picks to acquire extra picks and he has hit on a few of those picks with great players.

It's easy to be the best poker player in the room when you have the best cards. His situation is very similar to Jimmy Johnson who was able to make a huge trade involving a commodity on his team and then hit on a few of those picks. Those situations don't come along very often and when they aren't available the GM usually starts to look average again. Case in point, Jimmy Johnson in Miami. He didn't have a Herschel Walker to trade and he looked rather pedestrian in his time there.

The 49ers were already established before they traded any "commodity." And Alex is not a commodity.

Before the Alex Smith trade the 49ers lone trade of a player, if I'm not mistaken, was ****ing Taylor Mays.

**Bowser** · 05-12-2014, 06:12 AM

But we have that computer program that tells us the best player to take, and which ones we should cut.

**LoneWolf** · 05-12-2014, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

The 49ers were already established before they traded any "commodity." And Alex is not a commodity.

Before the Alex Smith trade the 49ers lone trade of a player, if I'm not mistaken, was ****ing Taylor Mays.

You're right a QB that took his team to the NFCCG and was the highest rated passer in the league the following year before being injured isn't a commodity in a QB driven league.

If the 49ers were already established, it wasn't because if Baalke. He wasn't the official GM until 2011.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You're right a QB that took his team to the NFCCG and was the highest rated passer in the league the following year before being injured isn't a commodity in a QB driven league.

If the 49ers were already established, it wasn't because if Baalke. He wasn't the official GM until 2011.

Commodity = something that satisfies wants and needs. The Chiefs fans want to win a SB and the Chiefs organization desperately needs to win a SB. Alex will satisfy none of the above.

49ers season records:

2007: 5-11
2008: 7-9
2009: 8-8
2010: 6-10
2011: 13-3
2012: 11-4-1
2013: 12-4

What year did you say he became GM again?

Cmd'r&Chief · 05-12-2014, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Agreed. It's annoying as **** watching this sit with their dicks tucked in their asses while other teams are able to wheel and deal and acquire a buttload of picks.

Did we have a 2nd round pick to trade this year?

I'd say that we tried to trade our first round pick, since it we waited till the clock hit zero to turn in our pick. Either nobody wanted to trade, or the offer wasn't that good.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

Did we have a 2nd round pick to trade this year?

I'd say that we tried to trade our first round pick, since it we waited till the clock hit zero to turn in our pick. Either nobody wanted to trade, or the offer wasn't that good.

The offer has yet to be good enough for Dorsey.

A 3rd wasn't good enough for Albert but a comp pick is.

**the Talking Can** · 05-12-2014, 06:44 AM

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05-12-2014, 01:08 AM
DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade From MMQB http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-20...with-a-kiss/3/ Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future. The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft. Surrendered QB Alex Smith Acquired* DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013) LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013) LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014) RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014) WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder) * Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out. Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks. Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.” This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing. Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded: Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone. Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time. Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.” Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down. Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group. I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.” Last edited by DTLB58; 05-12-2014 at 01:14 AM.. Reason: Added text
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DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	I like how they explained in the paragraph about when it got hectic when the phones were ringing and all the trades were going down but they were still thinking about the player they wanted to get out of all of this. Carlos Hyde. It's just like the thread I started before the draft about Jimmy Johnson. He wasn't a BPA guy or a need guy he just went after the guy he wanted! Mostly by making trades. And here is Baalke doing the same damn thing and winning. I can't stress this enough, I Focking hate the way Dorsey just sits by and waits and plays the damn board for BPA. Hate it! __________________ 667 Different DT cards and counting
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kcchiefsus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nowhere Casino cash: $10017949	I think somebody needs to make sure John Dorsey sees this article. There's no reason why he can't be capable of doing that kind of stuff if he makes the effort. Even if he is more of a scout now than an all around general manager he can develop into a better gm if he's not too stubborn. At least, I hope so.
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