Chiefs Reiter: Chiefs, fans hate each other... - Page 5

DaWolf · 10-07-2012, 09:01 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/k...esponds-100712

Some strong comments...

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There was more, a lot more, and it boiled down to this: Winston was embarrassed by Chiefs fans. He was sickened by them. He wanted no part of them just as virulently as they seem to want no part of him and his teammates.

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What a jarring change. What a sign of just how wide the gulf has grown under the stewardship of co-owner, CEO and chairman Clark Hunt and his hand-picked general manager, Scott Pioli, between a once-beloved team and its once-celebrated fans

How to pass out the blame? Is it, in part, because Clark Hunt seems as distant from this team as his dad seemed connected to it? Because where Lamar walked Arrowhead with a folksy connectedness and everyman-look, Clark travels with a personal assistant who seems to be trying too hard to play a character from the movie Wall Street? Because Pioli’s ego — the one that seems to have kept his $55-million quarterback in the driver’s seat even as he drove it toward this divide — is as bad for reaching fans as it has been at winning football games? Because two decades is too long for anyone to wait for a playoff win? Because we take sports much, much too seriously? Because sports, as much as anything, becomes one of our primary means of escapes in tough times and an unhealthy fixation when historically-difficult economic times descend?

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Is that what we see in Winston’s rant, the fans’ bloodlust for one of their own and the unlikability and underperformance of the key people who have pushed us to this point? Have we seen an irrevocable change to the special bond between the Kansas City Chiefs and Kansas City?

**BossChief** · 10-07-2012, 09:56 PM

WE fans absolutely DONT hate the Chiefs...quite the opposite.

WE LOVE THEM and thats why we are still here and havent abandoned them...even though they probably deserve it.

What we are trying to do is institute some "tough love" to the management of this team because the fans, players and media all deserve better than this shit sandwich.

Forcing us to watch Cassel for this long is "cruel and unusual punishment" and is undeserved and is against our constitutional rights.

**notorious** · 10-07-2012, 09:57 PM

I would rather be considered to be "Classless fans" that don't put up with losers than the "Classy fans" that allow failure to go unchecked.

We are far from classless, and any educated person will know that a few dumbasses in the crowd are the minority.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-07-2012, 09:58 PM

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser.

KS Smitty · 10-07-2012, 10:03 PM

What a cluster****.

1 player called out by the fans and players calling out the fans.

If Winston's rant echoes the sentiment of the rest of the team then yeah, gtf out of town. The bond between the fans and players of the Chiefs (with the exception of some prima dona players) has always been tight even when the team played poorly. The fact that Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli have no clue of this is, IMO, a major problem. Hell even King Carl new the fan base in KC was a major advantage for the team, especially in home game situations. I have been a fan since before the AFL/NFL merger and have never seen such alienation by the front office towards its fans. Now the fans are being called classless???? Yeah it's real classy for a GM to be so narcissistic that HIS choices are the only ones that matter and for an owner to be so uninvolved that he hasn't a clue of the true nature of the fans or his GM and head coach.

I certainly don't hate any of the players, including Matt Cassel, hell I'd probably root for him if he played for Denver or Oakland, but I do hate the fact that the FO appears to take the fans for granted. As long as the fans keep shelling out money for team apparel, tickets etc. there will be little or no change cuz it's all about the benjamins for Clark Hunt.

DaWolf · 10-07-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

WE fans absolutely DONT hate the Chiefs...quite the opposite.

WE LOVE THEM and thats why we are still here and havent abandoned them...even though they probably deserve it.

What we are trying to do is institute some "tough love" to the management of this team because the fans, players and media all deserve better than this shit sandwich.

Forcing us to watch Cassel for this long is "cruel and unusual punishment" and is undeserved and is against our constitutional rights.

I agree. We love the "Chiefs." I think what Reiter is insinuating is that the fans hate this iteration of the team, from the GM on down.

And I think there is a point to be made to that. In general, people here hate the FO. They hate the QB. They hate the defensive scheme. They think the coach is a joke. They ridicule McCluster. Bowe is viewed as a knucklehead who drops passes (although I think the fans are now sympathizing for him because he's stuck with Cassel).

I think there are individuals that the fan base loves or wants to love, from Charles and Hali to DJ and Houston and Berry. But I think the fan base has been put in a position where there is more focus on overpaid underachievers like Dorsey and Jackson and Cassel than anything else...

CaliforniaChief · 10-07-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This.

And to make matters worse, the Nation will never hear the fan's side of the story. Now we're just the "classless" fan base who boo'd our injured QB.

Maybe not. Remember when the Royals fans were known for being classless for booing Cano out of the HR Derby? Yeah, neither does the nation, who remembers Royals fans as the classy bunch who cheered Cabrera for winning the triple crown.

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Or "we" lose if the team winds up moving to LA in light of poor ticket sales and an unfriendly local environment...

Not happening.

You can't buy this kind of fan commitment.

We love our team so much we've gone completely insane trying to do what little we can to fix it from the outside.

This is the equivalent of 80,000 fans screaming their lungs out in a playoff game, only Scott Pioli is the opposing quarterback.

Discuss Thrower · 10-07-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Not happening.

You can't buy this kind of fan commitment.

We love our team so much we've gone completely insane trying to do what little we can to fix it from the outside.

This is the equivalent of 80,000 fans screaming their lungs out in a playoff game, only Scott Pioli is the opposing quarterback.

The more I think about it, the more plausible it seems that there is a conscious effort to thin out Arrowhead to make a move palpable to important (and monied) parties.

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The more I think about it, the more plausible it seems that there is a conscious effort to thin out Arrowhead to make a move palpable to important (and monied) parties.

Bullshit. The Hunts will never move the Chiefs. They won't shit on what daddy built.

(I mean...they won't shit on it more

)

**notorious** · 10-07-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The more I think about it, the more plausible it seems that there is a conscious effort to thin out Arrowhead to make a move palpable to important (and monied) parties.

Like in the movie "Major League"?

It's funny to think about, but I don't believe they can move. Don't they have a contract with the city?

ChiefsCountry · 10-07-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The more I think about it, the more plausible it seems that there is a conscious effort to thin out Arrowhead to make a move palpable to important (and monied) parties.

Chiefs are tied to Kansas City until 2031. You guys need to quit with the tinfoil shit.

**BossChief** · 10-07-2012, 10:22 PM

Booing an injured player IS classless...but no more classless than not even attempting to attain a premier quarterback in football and being content with a terrible leader while lying to the fanbase about things like a quarterback competition (when you never intended to have one in the first place) and hiring an OC from a playoff team...knowing full well you only have eyes for a coach that will swallow Cassels load with no questions asked, in Daboll.

Adding to that are the pent up frustrations of this fanbase having to deal with trying to get excited for decades of the team acquiring its quarterbacks by bringing in other teams backups and trying to make them our stars.

The 49ers Had Montana and Young and we got an 80 year old Montana, then Bono and Grbac
The Patriots have Brady and we got Huard and Cassel

We are sick of that route and have been for a very long time.

We want OUR QUARTERBACK...a guy that instills THE CHIEFS WAY.

Pioli has said that he doesnt feel that drafting a first round quarterback is the way championship teams are built and that alone is reason for dismissal.

Its like a person working for McDonalds telling its customers that the hamburgers are bad for you.

FFS, fire this POS and hire a guy that will do whatever it takes to get a guy that will lead us to playoff wins and hopefully a championship or two before this young group of players' careers are wasted.

BigRock · 10-07-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Maybe not. Remember when the Royals fans were known for being classless for booing Cano out of the HR Derby? Yeah, neither does the nation, who remembers Royals fans as the classy bunch who cheered Cabrera for winning the triple crown.

I've already seen two national articles on Cassel's booing that mention Robinson Cano. The Cano thing was a story. Cheering for Miggy, much like cheering Chipper Jones at the ASG, got mentioned once or twice and was forgotten 5 minutes later.

**BossChief** · 10-07-2012, 10:31 PM

If Hunt wanted to move the Chiefs, he could have.

He chose to stay here and dumped a brinks truck of his own cash into upgrading the stadium.

He has also shown that he is willing to spend money on players.

Big contracts to

Cassel
Hali
Flowers
DJ
Charles
Winston

Show that.

the problem is where that money is spent and how much that guy values the quarterback position and the teams winning over his own ego and failure to admit he made a mistake on the biggest moves he has had to make without Bill Billicheck holding his hand.

If we remove Pioli and replace him with a guy that understands what kind of quarterback it takes to win and what kind of coaching staff it takes to develop the talent we have on board, we will turn this thing around QUICKLY

My hope is that Clark Hunt is smart enough to realize ll of this and makes the necessary changes sooner rather than later.

**BossChief** · 10-07-2012, 10:38 PM

CLARK HUNT: IF YOU OR SOMEONE THAT WORKS FOR YOU READS THIS...

Scott Pioli has STOLEN over 120 million dollars from you with horrible decision making and thats not including countless hundreds of millions of indirect funds over the last 4 years.

Tyson Jackson got over 50 million and will be cut before his rookie contract expires
Scott Pioli has personally taken 20 million and refuses to get this team a quarterback in a league that one is REQUIRED
Matt Cassel will have taken 50 million by years end and if you watch the games, you know how bad of an investment that cost was.

This guy will NEVER bring this city a championship and will continue to make you look like an absentee owner of a laughing stock franchise unless you institute change.

10-07-2012, 09:56 PM	#61
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	WE fans absolutely DONT hate the Chiefs...quite the opposite. WE LOVE THEM and thats why we are still here and havent abandoned them...even though they probably deserve it. What we are trying to do is institute some "tough love" to the management of this team because the fans, players and media all deserve better than this shit sandwich. Forcing us to watch Cassel for this long is "cruel and unusual punishment" and is undeserved and is against our constitutional rights.
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10-07-2012, 09:57 PM	#62
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $3015884	I would rather be considered to be "Classless fans" that don't put up with losers than the "Classy fans" that allow failure to go unchecked. We are far from classless, and any educated person will know that a few dumbasses in the crowd are the minority.
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10-07-2012, 09:58 PM	#63
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10-07-2012, 10:03 PM	#64
KS Smitty Cool as a Cucumber Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: on the edge Casino cash: $3676717	What a cluster****. 1 player called out by the fans and players calling out the fans. If Winston's rant echoes the sentiment of the rest of the team then yeah, gtf out of town. The bond between the fans and players of the Chiefs (with the exception of some prima dona players) has always been tight even when the team played poorly. The fact that Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli have no clue of this is, IMO, a major problem. Hell even King Carl new the fan base in KC was a major advantage for the team, especially in home game situations. I have been a fan since before the AFL/NFL merger and have never seen such alienation by the front office towards its fans. Now the fans are being called classless???? Yeah it's real classy for a GM to be so narcissistic that HIS choices are the only ones that matter and for an owner to be so uninvolved that he hasn't a clue of the true nature of the fans or his GM and head coach. I certainly don't hate any of the players, including Matt Cassel, hell I'd probably root for him if he played for Denver or Oakland, but I do hate the fact that the FO appears to take the fans for granted. As long as the fans keep shelling out money for team apparel, tickets etc. there will be little or no change cuz it's all about the benjamins for Clark Hunt. __________________ A D with Sneed is a D indeed.
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10-07-2012, 10:22 PM	#72
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	Booing an injured player IS classless...but no more classless than not even attempting to attain a premier quarterback in football and being content with a terrible leader while lying to the fanbase about things like a quarterback competition (when you never intended to have one in the first place) and hiring an OC from a playoff team...knowing full well you only have eyes for a coach that will swallow Cassels load with no questions asked, in Daboll. Adding to that are the pent up frustrations of this fanbase having to deal with trying to get excited for decades of the team acquiring its quarterbacks by bringing in other teams backups and trying to make them our stars. The 49ers Had Montana and Young and we got an 80 year old Montana, then Bono and Grbac The Patriots have Brady and we got Huard and Cassel We are sick of that route and have been for a very long time. We want OUR QUARTERBACK...a guy that instills THE CHIEFS WAY. Pioli has said that he doesnt feel that drafting a first round quarterback is the way championship teams are built and that alone is reason for dismissal. Its like a person working for McDonalds telling its customers that the hamburgers are bad for you. FFS, fire this POS and hire a guy that will do whatever it takes to get a guy that will lead us to playoff wins and hopefully a championship or two before this young group of players' careers are wasted.
Posts: 47,099

10-07-2012, 10:31 PM	#74
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	If Hunt wanted to move the Chiefs, he could have. He chose to stay here and dumped a brinks truck of his own cash into upgrading the stadium. He has also shown that he is willing to spend money on players. Big contracts to Cassel Hali Flowers DJ Charles Winston Show that. the problem is where that money is spent and how much that guy values the quarterback position and the teams winning over his own ego and failure to admit he made a mistake on the biggest moves he has had to make without Bill Billicheck holding his hand. If we remove Pioli and replace him with a guy that understands what kind of quarterback it takes to win and what kind of coaching staff it takes to develop the talent we have on board, we will turn this thing around QUICKLY My hope is that Clark Hunt is smart enough to realize ll of this and makes the necessary changes sooner rather than later.
Posts: 47,099

10-07-2012, 10:38 PM	#75
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	CLARK HUNT: IF YOU OR SOMEONE THAT WORKS FOR YOU READS THIS... Scott Pioli has STOLEN over 120 million dollars from you with horrible decision making and thats not including countless hundreds of millions of indirect funds over the last 4 years. Tyson Jackson got over 50 million and will be cut before his rookie contract expires Scott Pioli has personally taken 20 million and refuses to get this team a quarterback in a league that one is REQUIRED Matt Cassel will have taken 50 million by years end and if you watch the games, you know how bad of an investment that cost was. This guy will NEVER bring this city a championship and will continue to make you look like an absentee owner of a laughing stock franchise unless you institute change.
Posts: 47,099