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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Red Brooklyn · 01-22-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I think this show was meant to go one or two seasons, it turned into a cash cow and now these writers are making shit up almost as they go along ala Sopranos after season 3 or 4.

Blah

For what it's worth - the creators of the show have said from the very beginning that they had always invistioned a 5 season story arch. It wasn't until mid-way through season 3 that ABC granted the creators request by announcing an official end date. So, while many aspects of the show have been created as "filler" and the show does shift and adapt (like any good writing must, IMO) the overall arch of the show has been imagined since the beginning. Not every detail, obviously. But the what the show is and where it is headed has been present from the beginning. And from the beginning the show has had roughly 5 seasons of story to tell. The show was never meant to be just one or two seasons.

Red Brooklyn · 01-22-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I feel sorry for anyone who has to write episode recaps this year. Lots of jumping around.

I still think the time travel storyline is a complete cop-out. It's too easy to use it and abuse it to fill in holes in the story.

Even last night, Farraday says you can't change the future going back in the past. Then Farraday does just that by making contact with Desmond and telling him to go to Oxford.
Also, if you can't go back and change things then why run away from the flaming arrows. If nothing can be changed (and you can't prevent the plane from crashing in the first place) then why worry about getting hit with an arrow, you'll be around in the future anyway.

I don't know that Farraday changed anything. I think we're supposed to believe that Desmond always visited him a second time in Oxford. I think Farraday was making sure that history didn't change.

And I think you're right (to a degree) about the arrows. They didn't need to run. But I'd be willing to bet that if someone started shooting flaming arrows at you, you'd ****ing run like hell too. Even if some scientist told you you didn't have to. It's instinct.

Frazod · 01-22-2009, 09:51 AM

I was fairly annoyed by last night's episode. Moving an island through space AND time? Ugh.

I'm just waiting for somebody to utter the old Star Trek time-travel catchphrase: "We can't afford to start second-guessing ourselves now."

It also seems apparent from the latest catch-up episode

that Dominic Monaghan will have nothing further to do with the show - he wasn't shown in any of the clips, nor was Charlie's name mentioned.

**Buck** · 01-22-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I feel sorry for anyone who has to write episode recaps this year. Lots of jumping around.

I still think the time travel storyline is a complete cop-out. It's too easy to use it and abuse it to fill in holes in the story.

Even last night, Farraday says you can't change the future going back in the past. Then Farraday does just that by making contact with Desmond and telling him to go to Oxford.

Also, if you can't go back and change things then why run away from the flaming arrows. If nothing can be changed (and you can't prevent the plane from crashing in the first place) then why worry about getting hit with an arrow, you'll be around in the future anyway.

Actually he says you cannot change the Past. I dont believe he said you cannot change the future.

Chiefnj2 · 01-22-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

Actually he says you cannot change the Past. I dont believe he said you cannot change the future.

Even if that were true, didn't he change the past by talking and giving clues to Desmond at the hatch door?

IIRC didn't Desmond visit Farraday in a time jump last year? Why didn't he recognize him?

keg in kc · 01-22-2009, 11:14 AM

I enjoyed it. Makes my head hurt, but I enjoyed it.

Red Brooklyn · 01-22-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Even if that were true, didn't he change the past by talking and giving clues to Desmond at the hatch door?

IIRC didn't Desmond visit Farraday in a time jump last year? Why didn't he recognize him?

Again, no. I don't think he changed anything by talking to Desmond.

And Desmond did recognize him. He has a line about it. Something like, "Don't I know you, brother?"

Frazod · 01-22-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I enjoyed it. Makes my head hurt, but I enjoyed it.

IMO, it's just gotten too damned busy.

keg in kc · 01-22-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

And Desmond did recognize him. He has a line about it. Something like, "Don't I know you, brother?"

Didn't read that way to me. I thought he asked "Do I know you, brother?" because Faraday knew his name, although Desmond didn't recognize him.

**Baby Lee** · 01-22-2009, 12:32 PM

So now we know why Locke's leg gave out on him when he went to the plane with Boone, he was retracing the timespace where Ethan shot him.

A little more evidence that these guys MIGHT have a plan here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I think this show was meant to go one or two seasons, it turned into a cash cow and now these writers are making shit up almost as they go along ala Sopranos after season 3 or 4.

Blah

Wrong.

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Originally Posted by thurman merman

totally agree. they are just making stuff up every single episode now.

"oh, we're in the past."

"oh, we're in the future."

son of a bitch, can we just be in the present for once? time travel is so gay.

Wrong.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So now we know why Locke's leg gave out on him when he went to the plane with Boone, he was retracing the timespace where Ethan shot him.

A little more evidence that these guys MIGHT have a plan here.

Of course they do. I've stated this in detail before in this very thread.

Short answer: You CANNOT go to a network, ask for a few million dollars per week for a television series without having a plan in place. Especially for a show as complex as "Lost".

The creators have always known the beginning and the end to the series. It's been just a matter of time as to how long they have to fill in the blanks.

As for the time travel thing, I mentioned that the whole show is based on time travel in the this very thread in either 2006 or early 2007.

Everyone thought I was nuts.

**Baby Lee** · 01-22-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course they do. I've stated this in detail before in this very thread.

Short answer: You CANNOT go to a network, ask for a few million dollars per week for a television series without having a plan in place. Especially for a show as complex as "Lost".

The creators have always known the beginning and the end to the series. It's been just a matter of time as to how long they have to fill in the blanks.

As for the time travel thing, I mentioned that the whole show is based on time travel in the this very thread in either 2006 or early 2007.

Everyone thought I was nuts.

Shall I pierce your side and end it, Lord, or do you want to hang there a while longer.
People who have been paying attention haven't been thinking all those savants who said it was based on time travel were 'nuts.' They were trying to reconcile the showrunners saying it wasn't purgatory and was all based in nonsupernatural science with what they were seeing, which certainly hinted at either purgatory or time travel. Alpert not aging, getting big band on the radio, the black rock, endless other clues had others leaning the same way.

Red Brooklyn · 01-22-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Didn't read that way to me. I thought he asked "Do I know you, brother?" because Faraday knew his name, although Desmond didn't recognize him.

ah. I see. Could be that too. I, obviously, hadn't thought of that. I just figured that since there was dialogue (btw Faraday and Sawyer) that specifically draws attentino to and points out the issue of recognition, that the writer's intent was to show that Des did recognize Faraday from somewhere.

Of course what Faraday said to Sawyer may have been meant to address the "changing the past" issue. Des never met Sawyer before the plane crash so that is proof that Sawyer could not have talked to Des at that moment in the past. No matter what. Maybe that was the point being made...

See how time travel ****s everything up?!

keg in kc · 01-22-2009, 01:11 PM

I think the question about changing the past will be one of the paramount themes of the season. Remember that the episode started with Faraday in the past. Doing...something in the under-construction orchid station.

And I never expected to see Michelle Rodriguez on the show again, not even as a ghost.

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Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3155085	I was fairly annoyed by last night's episode. Moving an island through space AND time? Ugh. I'm just waiting for somebody to utter the old Star Trek time-travel catchphrase: "We can't afford to start second-guessing ourselves now." It also seems apparent from the latest catch-up episode that Dominic Monaghan will have nothing further to do with the show - he wasn't shown in any of the clips, nor was Charlie's name mentioned.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I think the question about changing the past will be one of the paramount themes of the season. Remember that the episode started with Faraday in the past. Doing...something in the under-construction orchid station. And I never expected to see Michelle Rodriguez on the show again, not even as a ghost.
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