Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? - Page 2

B_Ambuehl · 12-20-2010, 10:40 AM

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

**Dave Lane** · 12-20-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Anyone else get a kick out of fans that have so much invested into hating their own teams players?

They are going to be right no matter how many times they have to move the goalposts.

Skyy God · 12-20-2010, 10:55 AM

A solid run game makes a QB's job easier?

You don't say....

**Rausch** · 12-20-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Link.

No $3it.

siberian khatru · 12-20-2010, 10:57 AM

This is one of those deals where stats don't tell the whole story.

Drops aside in the Rams game ... what I've seen over the last several weeks include Cassel changing plays at the line of scrimmage, going through reads, having good pocket awareness, stepping into his throws, making key plays, consistently making good throws, not enduring long stretches of inaccuracy or dumbassery -- stuff he wasn't doing last year or the first half of this year. And then there are intangible things like showing fire, leadership, throwing blocks, etc.

You look at his QB ratings from earlier in the season and you see some nice numbers, but I remember him in some of those games having long stretches where he was playing poorly, then he'd finally find his groove and do well. It was the inconsistency that was his biggest obstacle. To me, since the 2nd half of the @Denver game, he has been consistently above average.

Earthling · 12-20-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

Thank you for this post. I laughed my ass off.

Los Pollos Hermanos · 12-20-2010, 11:09 AM

If Cassel plays the last two games like he did at St L and against Denver he will finish with 3000 yards and TD to INT ratio of 5:1. I don't understand the hate. Because it's not always pretty?

Frosty · 12-20-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

having good pocket awareness

The way he is stepping up in the pocket is huge, IMO. It wasn't that long ago that he would run out to the side when he got pressure, which reduced his throwing options or resulted in sacks.

**loochy** · 12-20-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas

If Cassel plays the last two games like he did at St L and against Denver he will finish with 3000 yards and TD to INT ratio of 5:1. I don't understand the hate. Because it's not always pretty?

I wouldn't say it's hate. We all (or at least most of us) really appreciate his work and we are really glad that he's stepped up. We just realize that, while good, Cassel is not the kind of QB that can pretty much win a game single handedly with minimal contribution elsewhere.

King_Chief_Fan · 12-20-2010, 11:12 AM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=238725

**Rausch** · 12-20-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas

If Cassel plays the last two games like he did at St L and against Denver he will finish with 3000 yards and TD to INT ratio of 5:1. I don't understand the hate. Because it's not always pretty?

I don't want a TV friendly QB, fantasy QB, or probowl/fan favorite QB.

I want a franchise QB.

I think this team is bringing him along the right way and after his last 5 weeks I finally believe there's reason for hope long term.

(I would still sign a decent vet/prospect to back him up though...)

B_Ambuehl · 12-20-2010, 11:14 AM

Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?

My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

Cassel is not the kind of QB that can pretty much win a game single handedly with minimal contribution elsewhere.

I hate to break it to you, but those QB's don't exist in reality. It's a team sport.

Brock · 12-20-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?

My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends.

How about that link.

**Dave Lane** · 12-20-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

I wouldn't say it's hate. We all (or at least most of us) really appreciate his work and we are really glad that he's stepped up. We just realize that, while good, Cassel is not the kind of QB that can pretty much win a game single handedly with minimal contribution elsewhere.

Is that a requirement for a Chiefs QB? If so then we have only had one QB here that would be acceptable. This is arbritary and completely stupid standard to apply to any player.

Why not apply it to Charles or Flowers? Charles needs to score a TD on every play maybe 2, You can't get caught from behind and then whine you had cramps. What was it your time of the month? Pussy.

Thats what fans should say about Charles if they are going to force Cassel to live up to HOF standards before they can say, well he's OK.

**Rausch** · 12-20-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?

My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends.

1) He will never play up to his contract. Period.

2) He's progressing faster and with less/comparable WR help to what Green had his 2nd year.

3) It's not about having the best QB, it's about having the best team.

4) WE ARE CURRENTLY THE 3RD BEST ****ING TEAM IN THE AFC!1!!!!!!

12-20-2010, 10:40 AM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? Against Seattle and Arizona? From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find: Denver: 17-31 196 1-0 St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1 That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him. When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him. The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle. At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that. "But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player. Flame away.
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12-20-2010, 10:57 AM	#19
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2594950	This is one of those deals where stats don't tell the whole story. Drops aside in the Rams game ... what I've seen over the last several weeks include Cassel changing plays at the line of scrimmage, going through reads, having good pocket awareness, stepping into his throws, making key plays, consistently making good throws, not enduring long stretches of inaccuracy or dumbassery -- stuff he wasn't doing last year or the first half of this year. And then there are intangible things like showing fire, leadership, throwing blocks, etc. You look at his QB ratings from earlier in the season and you see some nice numbers, but I remember him in some of those games having long stretches where he was playing poorly, then he'd finally find his groove and do well. It was the inconsistency that was his biggest obstacle. To me, since the 2nd half of the @Denver game, he has been consistently above average.
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12-20-2010, 11:09 AM	#21
Los Pollos Hermanos Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Prosper, TX Casino cash: $3725037	If Cassel plays the last two games like he did at St L and against Denver he will finish with 3000 yards and TD to INT ratio of 5:1. I don't understand the hate. Because it's not always pretty?
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12-20-2010, 11:14 AM	#26
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy? My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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