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Old 01-30-2005, 07:40 AM  
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Iraq elections about done.

There's about half an hour before the polls close and Freedoms winds in Iraq blew strong. The latest numbers indicate 72 percent of the population voted. Think about that. Here in america if we get 60 percent it's considered a high turn out. Normally only 40 to 50 percent of america votes in any election. And as those people vote who do they see? Iraq Security forces, not american. That has to have an effect. I can't help but feel a sense of optimism over the future of not only Iraq but of the Middle East as a whole. And do believe in the long run this country will be safer and we are seeing the decline of terrorism as a global force. It'll be interesting to hear over the next few days how people spin this. Especially those, to borrow a line from the movie "The American President", "People who say they love america but obviously can't stand americans".
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:23 PM   #31
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Excellent speech by Bush - "We congratulate the people of Iraq". Succinct.

Compare it with Kerry's statements.

Now Levin is on CNN saying that there are only 20-30,000 properly trained Iraqis. Few months ago he was defining a properly trained soldier differently and was complaining that it was only a few thousand. Using the standard he employed back then we now have more than 100,000 Iraqis trained.

Reminds me of the Dem attacks on the job numbers during the election...when the election started last January they were saying 3,000,000 jobs lost...they kept having to revise the number every month that they started changing what qualified as a job. Funniest quote I saw was one from Nancy Pelosi in April saying that we had 1.8 million jobs lost and then a month later, after we gained almost 400,000 jobs, she was complaining that the figure was now at 2.6 million.

To Democrats 1.8 million - 400K = 2.6 million.

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Old 01-30-2005, 12:31 PM   #32
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To Democrats 1.8 million - 400K = 2.6 million.

Sssshhhhhh, don't give them any ideas for their next tax reform legislation.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:34 PM   #33
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Strangely enough, Duhnise is conspicuously absent today. Perhaps she would have been happier with an election like this:
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:35 PM   #34
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Wait, you mean the vast majority of the population got out and voted in spite of the doom and gloom prognostications from the LWNJ's like Duhnise? Fancy that.......
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:44 PM   #35
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Compare it with Kerry's statements.

Now Levin is on CNN saying that there are only 20-30,000 properly trained Iraqis. Few months ago he was defining a properly trained soldier differently and was complaining that it was only a few thousand. Using the standard he employed back then we now have more than 100,000 Iraqis trained.

Reminds me of the Dem attacks on the job numbers during the election...when the election started last January they were saying 3,000,000 jobs lost...they kept having to revise the number every month that they started changing what qualified as a job. Funniest quote I saw was one from Nancy Pelosi in April saying that we had 1.8 million jobs lost and then a month later, after we gained almost 400,000 jobs, she was complaining that the figure was now at 2.6 million.

To Democrats 1.8 million - 400K = 2.6 million.

They seem to be unprepared.

Surely someone in that party believed that this might actually go well.

But all of them were so ready for failure, once success was realized, they had no idea of what to say.

I.E. John Kerry on MTP
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:18 PM   #36
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Even left leaning Cokie Roberts this morning on the ABC Sunday news program said Americans should be ashamed of how we take voting for granted when it comes to the example Iraqis showed us today.

She said Americans just need to roll out of bed to vote when the Iraqis had to risk their lives. For once I agree with her.
She's right. This past Presidential election was my 1st to vote in, I'm 34. After watching the Iraqis risk their life to vote, I must admit to feeling a little shame...
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:28 PM   #37
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She's right. This past Presidential election was my 1st to vote in, I'm 34. After watching the Iraqis risk their life to vote, I must admit to feeling a little shame...
gee, i thought 34 was the voting age in ohio...
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:37 PM   #38
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There's about half an hour before the polls close and Freedoms winds in Iraq blew strong. The latest numbers indicate 72 percent of the population voted. Think about that. Here in america if we get 60 percent it's considered a high turn out. Normally only 40 to 50 percent of america votes in any election. And as those people vote who do they see? Iraq Security forces, not american. That has to have an effect. I can't help but feel a sense of optimism over the future of not only Iraq but of the Middle East as a whole. And do believe in the long run this country will be safer and we are seeing the decline of terrorism as a global force. It'll be interesting to hear over the next few days how people spin this. Especially those, to borrow a line from the movie "The American President", "People who say they love america but obviously can't stand americans".

I'll believe the 72% number when it's independently verified (as the Iraqi voting commission is already backing off from it) and I'll give the honeymoon period 3 months...

I believe, as one expert predicted yesterday, the insurgent's strategy will go from trying to stop the election (knowing they couldn't because the US was controlling the situation) to showing the Iraqi people 'nothing's changed' and as such the next 6 months will be very dangerous and deadly as the insurgents try to prove there is no stability in their new 'democracy.'
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:38 PM   #39
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They should monitor Kennedy closely today though, his head might turn so red that he'll have steam coming out his ears and run the risk of exploding.
I'd pay to see this, and cheer wildly afterwards...
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:40 PM   #40
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Strangely enough, Duhnise is conspicuously absent today. Perhaps she would have been happier with an election like this:
So sorry, NOT.

I was at the gym and then Church.
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gee, i thought 34 was the voting age in ohio...
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Old 01-30-2005, 01:43 PM   #42
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So sorry, NOT.

I was at the gym and then Church.

the mosk was packed today huh?
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I'll believe the 72% number when it's independently verified (as the Iraqi voting commission is already backing off from it) and I'll give the honeymoon period 3 months...

I believe, as one expert predicted yesterday, the insurgent's strategy will go from trying to stop the election (knowing they couldn't because the US was controlling the situation) to showing the Iraqi people 'nothing's changed' and as such the next 6 months will be very dangerous and deadly as the insurgents try to prove there is no stability in their new 'democracy.'
This is not what you believe. It's what you HOPE happens...
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I'll believe the 72% number when it's independently verified (as the Iraqi voting commission is already backing off from it) and I'll give the honeymoon period 3 months...

I believe, as one expert predicted yesterday, the insurgent's strategy will go from trying to stop the election (knowing they couldn't because the US was controlling the situation) to showing the Iraqi people 'nothing's changed' and as such the next 6 months will be very dangerous and deadly as the insurgents try to prove there is no stability in their new 'democracy.'
I ****ing HATE this gawddamn Leftist mentality! You could've came in here and said, "Its wonderful to see these people risking their lives to vote" or something like that. But, NO. You're just predicting gloom and doom for them. I'm not saying you're wrong. It won't 'instantly' get better for these people, but they made a HUGE step in the right direction today...
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