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Old 01-30-2005, 07:40 AM  
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Iraq elections about done.

There's about half an hour before the polls close and Freedoms winds in Iraq blew strong. The latest numbers indicate 72 percent of the population voted. Think about that. Here in america if we get 60 percent it's considered a high turn out. Normally only 40 to 50 percent of america votes in any election. And as those people vote who do they see? Iraq Security forces, not american. That has to have an effect. I can't help but feel a sense of optimism over the future of not only Iraq but of the Middle East as a whole. And do believe in the long run this country will be safer and we are seeing the decline of terrorism as a global force. It'll be interesting to hear over the next few days how people spin this. Especially those, to borrow a line from the movie "The American President", "People who say they love america but obviously can't stand americans".
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:18 PM   #61
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Uh, no. This election was the easy part...

just as 'winning' the war was. The US seems to have the problems in the implemention AFTER the main event.
I'm sorry but I believe it is now up to the Iraqi elected officials to go to work. The US is now only in position to help keep the peace, until A) the US government decides it is stable enough for us to leave or B) The new government is asks us to leave.

Oh by the way donít expect the Iraqi people to get it right the first time, just look how many governments the French and Italians have formed over the years.

And if you know your US history you know it took quite a while for the US to get a constitution adobpted and it is still under review.

One other thought, the insurgents have lost a huge battle against the people.

Also notice how cavalier she is, dismissing the danger and hardship the voters went through as nothing. I bet she never walked two blocks for her bon-bonís let alone 13 miles to vote.

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Old 01-30-2005, 03:35 PM   #62
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72%?!?!

Wow, some naysayers on this board look a little foolish, don't they?
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:37 PM   #63
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I'll believe the 72% number when it's independently verified (as the Iraqi voting commission is already backing off from it) and I'll give the honeymoon period 3 months...

I believe, as one expert predicted yesterday, the insurgent's strategy will go from trying to stop the election (knowing they couldn't because the US was controlling the situation) to showing the Iraqi people 'nothing's changed' and as such the next 6 months will be very dangerous and deadly as the insurgents try to prove there is no stability in their new 'democracy.'
Translation - Damn, my predictions suck
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:38 PM   #64
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Funny - The "easy part" was not mentioned when you posted the story about poor election prediction turnout. I wonder why?
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Old 01-30-2005, 03:47 PM   #65
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Couple observations.

From what I hear on the news the low Sunni turnout is not because they opposed the elections but that they were intimidated not to vote. I mean, imagine walking around the Sunni triangle today with a purple finger. Not smart. The majority of Sunnis still want to be represented in the government though. This gives me hope the Sunni 'problem' is mostly limited to the insurgency and is not tribal wide. That's a good thing.

Of course there will be problems ahead and all is not perfect. But for any American to look at todays events and not consider them positive is simply being so biased their judgement is suspect.

The Bush administration took tons of criticism for their mishandling of Iraq after the military victory. It'll be interesting to see if those same bashers will be able to swallow their pride and actually admit the administration handled the elections brilliantly.

And finally, the Bush administration's prediction that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms was a little off the mark. Todays events showed Iraqis were willing to embrace us symbolically by accepting our belief that freedom and democracy are things worth risking your life for. We've known it for over 200 years, and today Iraqis helped prove we are right. It may have taken 18 months but the Bush administration fundamentally believing Iraqis would embrace us was proven today.
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Old 01-30-2005, 04:10 PM   #66
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Also notice how cavalier she is, dismissing the danger and hardship the voters went through as nothing. I bet she never walked two blocks for her bon-bon’s let alone 13 miles to vote.
Ouch!
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Old 01-30-2005, 04:14 PM   #67
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The Bush administration took tons of criticism for their mishandling of Iraq after the military victory. It'll be interesting to see if those same bashers will be able to swallow their pride and actually admit the administration handled the elections brilliantly.
I almost laughed outloud from this...
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Old 01-30-2005, 04:21 PM   #68
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I almost laughed outloud from this...
If you think about it the elections under these circumstances must have been a logistical nightmare. Even the Bush bashers have to admit the elections were handled well. Err, at least the credible ones that can think clearly.
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