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Old 04-17-2018, 04:03 AM  
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BY BRETT SAMUELS - 04/16/18 10:33 PM EDT

The Trump administration is reportedly trying to recruit Arab nations to commit funding and troops to eventually replace the U.S. military presence in Syria.

The Wall Street Journal reported Monday that U.S. officials have reached out to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates about contributing billions of dollars and military resources to help secure Syria after ISIS is defeated.

National Security Adviser John Bolton has also reportedly reached out to Egyptian officials about the initiative.

Military officials told the Journal that it would be difficult to convince Arab nations to send troops if the U.S. withdrew its forces entirely.

The reported effort comes days after President Trump authorized targeted missile strikes in Syria following in response to a chemical weapons attack on civilians in the town of Douma.

However, Trump has in recent weeks created uncertainty over the future of the U.S. role in Syria. While he has pledged to defeat ISIS, he has indicated on multiple occasions — including as recently as Friday — that he'd like to bring American troops home from Syria soon.

“America does not seek an indefinite presence in Syria,” he said during an address to announce the missile strikes. “It’s a troubled place. We will try to make it better. But it’s a troubled place.”

During a press conference with Baltic leaders, Trump suggested the U.S. could extend its military presence in Syria if other Arab states, like Saudi Arabia, paid for it.

Multiple military advisers and lawmakers have pushed back on Trump's comments, warning that pulling troops out of Syria would be a mistake that could destabilize the region.

Earlier this month, Trump reiterated his desire to end U.S. involvement in Syria quickly.

"I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home," the president said.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/38...in-syria-after
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:19 AM   #16
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That is a fair point. But at some point, if they won't help themselves.......
We should be helping ourselves too, instead of expecting the Arabs to do it for us.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:25 AM   #17
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We should be helping ourselves too, instead of expecting the Arabs to do it for us.
I guess I don't follow you here. After the removal of ISIS (Of course, that's an assumption on my part), I don't know what further business we have/should have in Syria. In Iraq and Afghanistan, yes, we destroyed the places, we owe it to the locals to mop up our mess. IF we quit trying to destroy Syria, we will have no such need in Syria.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:32 AM   #18
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I guess I don't follow you here. After the removal of ISIS (Of course, that's an assumption on my part), I don't know what further business we have/should have in Syria. In Iraq and Afghanistan, yes, we destroyed the places, we owe it to the locals to mop up our mess. IF we quit trying to destroy Syria, we will have no such need in Syria.
Yeah, we keep hearing the canard that ISIS — just a word for a varied mix of jihadists — will come back in if we leave. But Assad with the Russians did most of the work getting rid of them. Each time they were about to call victory we got some false report about to rev up the propaganda again.

So if they do come back, Assad with Russia can handled them.
Despite covert interests in our govt who funded and supported them along with two ME allies.

Just wait 'til you see my thread on Assad—and what we haven't been told by our press about this so-called "butcher." Even I never heard it before. The man is not ALL bad.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:56 PM   #19
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Yeah, we keep hearing the canard that ISIS — just a word for a varied mix of jihadists — will come back in if we leave. But Assad with the Russians did most of the work getting rid of them. Each time they were about to call victory we got some false report about to rev up the propaganda again.

So if they do come back, Assad with Russia can handled them.
Despite covert interests in our govt who funded and supported them along with two ME allies.

Just wait 'til you see my thread on Assad—and what we haven't been told by our press about this so-called "butcher." Even I never heard it before. The man is not ALL bad.
If you make a thread defending a mass murdering dictator, any shred of respect I have for you will evaporate. It will undermine every position you ever claimed to take.

You can take the pacifist non aggression position for the US government, but if you defend him or try to paint him as some kind of humanitarian I'll lose my shit.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:07 PM   #20
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If you make a thread defending a mass murdering dictator, any shred of respect I have for you will evaporate. It will undermine every position you ever claimed to take.
My aren't you triggered today. I don't give a rats ass if you lose respect for me...because the feeling would be mutual. You are clearly showing how you are a progressive interventionist that thinks it is America's job to oust dictators, while we still engage other dictators. IOW police the world.

You are part of the problem if that's the case. I never claimed Assad was all good — just not all bad. It's a Baathist regime which is not a democracy but the people in that country still have more rights or freedoms than our ally Saudi Arabia's people. People can openly practice their religion. When he first came to power in 2000 he actually released some political prisoners and closed a notorious prison. He has been killing murderous jihadis. I don't care if they get killed. He has aided the US govt providing vital intel about terrorists and he allowed the US govt to carry out it's rendition program on terrorists in his country. Those Arab countries are run by autocrats that do similar things. Just try to openly practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia. It's at least a secular govt and it does protect its Jewish Community, Christian community, his middle class and business class, all who support Assad.

There is still no evidence that Assad committed these last two chemical attacks on his own people. You've merely become a MEDIOT if you believe that. Why would these same civilians flow into Assad-held are like Damascus afterwards if he was doing that? You'd think he'd have a chance to gas them again. Meanwhile, we are helping SA enact a genocide via starvation in Yemen. I don't see you getting triggered over that.

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You can take the pacifist non aggression position for the US government, but if you defend him or try to paint him as some kind of humanitarian I'll lose my shit.
I don't take a pacifist position though. That's a strawman. I take an anti progressive a la socialist Wilson pov on such matters but support true defense of my country.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:30 AM   #21
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I will fully admit I have no good solution for the mess that is the Middle East. It just doesn't matter which angle you take, it's like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end, I just don't know how to do it

It just seems like every time we try to "fix" the Middle East, it just turns into a bigger pile of crap. At some point, we either have to wipe the damn region clean (think KER-BOOM) or just wash our hands and walk away. I know, the latter opens a vacuum for Russia to fill, but dang, at some point the cost has to outweigh the benefit.

Me personally, I guarantee Israeli and Jordanian sovereignty (IMO, the only 2 good actors in the region, not that they are squeaky clean, but you know), and tell the rest good luck. But that's just me
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:50 AM   #22
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Yeah, we keep hearing the canard that ISIS — just a word for a varied mix of jihadists — will come back in if we leave. But Assad with the Russians did most of the work getting rid of them. Each time they were about to call victory we got some false report about to rev up the propaganda again.

So if they do come back, Assad with Russia can handled them.
Despite covert interests in our govt who funded and supported them along with two ME allies.

Just wait 'til you see my thread on Assad—and what we haven't been told by our press about this so-called "butcher." Even I never heard it before. The man is not ALL bad.
I've always had a gut feeling Assad was an alright guy if just given the chance.
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Funny how these same Arab nations created ISIS and they're going to be ones to occupy the area to control it. Nah! It's just so someone allied with the globalist aims can stay in there to stir up trouble, even though Assad promised elections when their civil war was over with. But Assad=ALL bad. The other side = ALL good.

I doubt we won't leave until we're broke. Remember the British Empire ended because it was broke. It's no wonder Donger supports what he does over there.
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I've always had a gut feeling Assad was an alright guy if just given the chance.
I don't think that either. BTW he was willing to recognize Israel and make peace, which important people in Israel accepted—all covered up by our lying scum corporate media that only pushes the globalist and govt narrative.
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I will fully admit I have no good solution for the mess that is the Middle East. It just doesn't matter which angle you take, it's like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end, I just don't know how to do it

It just seems like every time we try to "fix" the Middle East, it just turns into a bigger pile of crap. At some point, we either have to wipe the damn region clean (think KER-BOOM) or just wash our hands and walk away. I know, the latter opens a vacuum for Russia to fill, but dang, at some point the cost has to outweigh the benefit.

Me personally, I guarantee Israeli and Jordanian sovereignty (IMO, the only 2 good actors in the region, not that they are squeaky clean, but you know), and tell the rest good luck. But that's just me
If we would have left a base in Iraq we would be miles ahead of where we are now. The entire reason the region went to shit with ISIS is because we left a hole that needed to be filled by someone.

If we would have left the base we would be in a great position in the Middle East but as it stands now... not so much.
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If we would have left a base in Iraq we would be miles ahead of where we are now. The entire reason the region went to shit with ISIS is because invaded Iraq a hole that needed to be filled by someone.
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