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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

ChiefJustice · 05-24-2010, 01:51 AM

I am still upset that some devious polar bear wasn't the puppet master of all these people.

I would have bet money on it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 01:53 AM

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I am still digesting the ending but can't come up with anything better than Dayne or either it was all just shit they made up along the way and half ass tried to tie it together at the end. Either way, I'm left with a feeling of this all being a big waste of time.

For the record, I think it's an EXTREMELY cheap way out.

Everything that happened was in Jack's mind.

It cheapens the series and the story.

Oh well.

**007** · 05-24-2010, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

For the record, I think it's an EXTREMELY cheap way out.

Everything that happened was in Jack's mind.

It cheapens the series and the story.

Oh well.

Thats one reason I disagree. It would cheapen the entire thing because none of it would have happened at all.

Miles · 05-24-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

For the record, I think it's an EXTREMELY cheap way out.

Everything that happened was in Jack's mind.

It cheapens the series and the story.

Oh well.

I haven't been able to sort out the others of it being purgatory the entire time and they all died in the crash, or the island was real but the alt storyline this year was the purgatory because of the extreme amount of lose ends and conflicting plot lines to either of those.

ChiefJustice · 05-24-2010, 02:03 AM

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Thats one reason I disagree. It would cheapen the entire thing because none of it would have happened at all.

Didn't St. Elsewhere end like that back in the 80's?

**007** · 05-24-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefJustice

Didn't St. Elsewhere end like that back in the 80's?

I have no idea. Never watched that show.

Miles · 05-24-2010, 02:08 AM

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Didn't St. Elsewhere end like that back in the 80's?

Yeah, I head that from a friend a few weeks ago when we were talking about how Lost might have a cheap ending.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 02:11 AM

I'm going to bed guys, but all of the signs point to this being all in Jack's mind.

Forget seasons 1-5 and focus on season six, from Jack's "child" to Sawyer being a cop to Hurley being a multimillionaire. Add to the fact about the ambiguous power source to the MIB not having a name to Jack = Jacob and so on. He has no children (hence, Tawaret).

It was a great series and I'm not "mad" about the ending but it is what it is:

A complete fabrication on Jack's part while dying in a jungle immediately after a plane crash.

We saw his pathetic life. Failed marriage, no children, inferiority complex, dead father. He "crash lands" on a island where he's the hero.

He saves the lives of people he "touched" on the plane, he makes strong decisions and becomes a leader: something he could never accomplish or do in real life.

The rest, he assumes. It's all a byproduct of his imagination as he lies dying. A justification for being weak and lame.

His father leads him to the actual light.

End of story.

**Buck** · 05-24-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm going to bed guys, but all of the signs point to this being all in Jack's mind.

Forget seasons 1-5 and focus on season six, from Jack's "child" to Sawyer being a cop to Hurley being a multimillionaire. Add to the fact about the ambiguous power source to the MIB not having a name to Jack = Jacob and so on. He has no children (hence, Tawaret).

It was a great series and I'm not "mad" about the ending but it is what it is:

A complete fabrication on Jack's part while dying in a jungle immediately after a plane crash.

We saw his pathetic life. Failed marriage, no children, inferiority complex, dead father. He "crash lands" on a island where he's the hero.

He saves the lives of people he "touched" on the plane, he makes strong decisions and becomes a leader: something he could never accomplish or do in real life.

The rest, he assumes. It's all a byproduct of his imagination as he lies dying. A justification for being weak and lame.

His father leads him to the actual light.

End of story.

You cant just tell us to forget the first 5 seasons. If anything was in his head it was the flash sideways, but thats it.

ChiefJustice · 05-24-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm going to bed guys, but all of the signs point to this being all in Jack's mind.

Forget seasons 1-5 and focus on season six, from Jack's "child" to Sawyer being a cop to Hurley being a multimillionaire. Add to the fact about the ambiguous power source to the MIB not having a name to Jack = Jacob and so on. He has no children (hence, Tawaret).

It was a great series and I'm not "mad" about the ending but it is what it is:

A complete fabrication on Jack's part while dying in a jungle immediately after a plane crash.

We saw his pathetic life. Failed marriage, no children, inferiority complex, dead father. He "crash lands" on a island where he's the hero.

He saves the lives of people he "touched" on the plane, he makes strong decisions and becomes a leader: something he could never accomplish or do in real life.

The rest, he assumes. It's all a byproduct of his imagination as he lies dying. A justification for being weak and lame.

His father leads him to the actual light.

End of story.

I am just going to imagine in my mind that this happened.

Makes it easier.....until the wacky spin-off with the minor characters where they ruin it completely.

**007** · 05-24-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefJustice

I am just going to imagine in my mind that this happened.

Makes it easier.....until the wacky spin-off with the minor characters ruin it completely.

They will call it LOSTer

Jim Jones · 05-24-2010, 02:46 AM

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To each his own.

I don't think any of it happened.

Jack died in the same spot he landed on 9/22/04.

Except, he was wearing different clothes and had a different haircut. And his face was bloodied and he was nursing a stab wound. But aside from that, yeah, it was exactly the same

The island was real and everything that happened on it was real. Christian Shephard pretty much explains as clear as day what the ending is when he's talking to Jack, so I don't see how you're not getting it - "Some died before you, some died far after you, but they needed you and you needed each and every one of them to move on."

Some died on the island, some died off the island. When they died is irrelevant because ultimately, they met up in alt-verse to be together one last time before they all "moved on."

**kysirsoze** · 05-24-2010, 02:47 AM

It makes no sense to say it was all "in Jack's mind." The whole point was that what is important are the relationships you have with people. The church scene was a reuniting of all of these characters. Why would Jack's big after-life reunion be with a bunch of people he imagined?

IMO, What happened on the island happened. As the various characters died, they entered the afterlife. They were all stuck in a world created collectively and needed the help of each other to move on, the point being that their time on the island was the most important time in their lives. In fact, their time on the island is what gave their lives meaning at all. They needed each other in life, and they needed each other in death.

I agree, from a storytelling standpoint, this was a little strange. It did in a way trivialize the events of the show. But, then again, the events being trivial was sort of the point, I think. There is something more than our daily struggles and what not, no matter how earth shattering they seem. Might be a little cheesy, but no more than anything else in this show. This show is flawed, sure, but I think some of you guys are over simplifying this ending a bit. All things considered, I give it a

**kysirsoze** · 05-24-2010, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Jones

Except, he was wearing different clothes and had a different haircut. And his face was bloodied and he was nursing a stab wound. But aside from that, yeah, it was exactly the same

The island was real and everything that happened on it was real. Christian Shephard pretty much explains as clear as day what the ending is when he's talking to Jack, so I don't see how you're not getting it - "Some died before you, some died far after you, but they needed you and you needed each and every one of them to move on."

Some died on the island, some died off the island. When they died is irrelevant because ultimately, they met up in alt-verse to be together one last time before they all "moved on."

yep

kcxiv · 05-24-2010, 03:07 AM

This is how i see it. They went to the island because they were all Lost in life. Their time at the Island, they found their way on what they wanted out of life and found some direction.

Thats it. nothing more, nothing less. Enjoy the ride, i did.

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05-24-2010, 01:51 AM	#5521
ChiefJustice The Stig Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: "Some say he has no home" Casino cash: $10004900	I am still upset that some devious polar bear wasn't the puppet master of all these people. I would have bet money on it. __________________ Dante Hicks: But you hate people. Randal Graves: Yes, but I love gatherings. Isn't it ironic?
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05-24-2010, 02:11 AM	#5528
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I'm going to bed guys, but all of the signs point to this being all in Jack's mind. Forget seasons 1-5 and focus on season six, from Jack's "child" to Sawyer being a cop to Hurley being a multimillionaire. Add to the fact about the ambiguous power source to the MIB not having a name to Jack = Jacob and so on. He has no children (hence, Tawaret). It was a great series and I'm not "mad" about the ending but it is what it is: A complete fabrication on Jack's part while dying in a jungle immediately after a plane crash. We saw his pathetic life. Failed marriage, no children, inferiority complex, dead father. He "crash lands" on a island where he's the hero. He saves the lives of people he "touched" on the plane, he makes strong decisions and becomes a leader: something he could never accomplish or do in real life. The rest, he assumes. It's all a byproduct of his imagination as he lies dying. A justification for being weak and lame. His father leads him to the actual light. End of story.
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05-24-2010, 02:47 AM	#5533
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $3786946	It makes no sense to say it was all "in Jack's mind." The whole point was that what is important are the relationships you have with people. The church scene was a reuniting of all of these characters. Why would Jack's big after-life reunion be with a bunch of people he imagined? IMO, What happened on the island happened. As the various characters died, they entered the afterlife. They were all stuck in a world created collectively and needed the help of each other to move on, the point being that their time on the island was the most important time in their lives. In fact, their time on the island is what gave their lives meaning at all. They needed each other in life, and they needed each other in death. I agree, from a storytelling standpoint, this was a little strange. It did in a way trivialize the events of the show. But, then again, the events being trivial was sort of the point, I think. There is something more than our daily struggles and what not, no matter how earth shattering they seem. Might be a little cheesy, but no more than anything else in this show. This show is flawed, sure, but I think some of you guys are over simplifying this ending a bit. All things considered, I give it a
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05-24-2010, 03:07 AM	#5535
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	This is how i see it. They went to the island because they were all Lost in life. Their time at the Island, they found their way on what they wanted out of life and found some direction. Thats it. nothing more, nothing less. Enjoy the ride, i did.
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