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Old 07-12-2017, 01:01 PM  
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Old 07-18-2017, 01:53 AM   #256
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Any historian will tell you that a primary source is far more reliable and far more significant than a secondary source. I read the entire speech that Obama gave that day just like you could have done. After reading the speech, I concluded that Obama's speech was respectful of the police, and it contained no race-baiting at all. I even provided multiple direct quotes from the speech to back up my conclusion. That's what using a primary source is all about.

You quoted an editorial from The Daily Caller that was someone else's interpretation of the speech. That's a secondary source that was so contaminated by the opinion of the author that it's essentially worthless. The fact that you would attempt to use someone else's interpretation of the speech rather than the speech itself is very telling. That's what people do who choose not to think for themselves. It shows tribalism and extreme partisanship.

If you're going to claim that Obama was "using the occasion of murdered policeman to further his racial, anti-white agenda", then how about backing up your claim with actual quotes from what Obama said? Is that really too much to ask?

If you can't provide a single quote from Obama's speech to support your argument, what does that tell you?

Yeah, he put a guy who had a rap sheet a mile long who was breaking the law and killed justifiably in the same sentence as 5 police officers that were doing their jobs peacefully and murdered by a Black nationalist.

He also mentioned BLM, a group that has rioted and called for police officers to be killed.

He did this while the families of the murdered cops were sitting right there.

If you can't realize how inappropriate some of these comments Obama made then no one is going to be able to have a reasonable discussion with you.

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Old 07-18-2017, 06:06 AM   #257
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All I did was ask you to read the speech for yourself and draw your own conclusion instead of relying upon other people in your tribe to do your thinking for you.

If you can't do that, you are the one who is broken.
The issue is the very very large number of people who took exception with that speech are simply labeled as ignorant or racist themselves. Nothing but a product of "tribal mentality" which is nothing more than another liberal bullshit catch phrase. Its just not possible in your mind to be wrong on your opinion about this.

Your refusal to acknowledge Obama was talking out of context considering the venue and circumstances is pretty mind numbing really.

As someone else stated if this was a civil right rally fine, it was a funeral for 5 police officers killed in part because of the anti police and racial divide Obama helped foster. And thats simply a fact.

Obama's comments and actions (sometimes inaction) from Trayvon Martin to Ferguson Mo fanned the flames rather than uniting the country. The whole Mike Brown media driven bullshit fiasco is the perfect example of Obama's leadership.

I know you dont see it that way, your blinders are pretty powerful.
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:30 AM   #258
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The issue is the very very large number of people who took exception with that speech are simply labeled as ignorant or racist themselves. Nothing but a product of "tribal mentality" which is nothing more than another liberal bullshit catch phrase. Its just not possible in your mind to be wrong on your opinion about this.

Your refusal to acknowledge Obama was talking out of context considering the venue and circumstances is pretty mind numbing really.

As someone else stated if this was a civil right rally fine, it was a funeral for 5 police officers killed in part because of the anti police and racial divide Obama helped foster. And thats simply a fact.

Obama's comments and actions (sometimes inaction) from Trayvon Martin to Ferguson Mo fanned the flames rather than uniting the country. The whole Mike Brown media driven bullshit fiasco is the perfect example of Obama's leadership.

I know you dont see it that way, your blinders are pretty powerful.
Whenever Obama ****ed up over the years, I always criticized him. I criticized him for lying about Obamacare when he was lobbying for it, I criticized him for his refusal to acknowledge the existence of Islamic terrorism, and I criticized him for the times when I thought his speeches WERE race baiting. This speech wasn't. All I have asked from anyone on this issue is to point out exactly what he said in this speech that was inappropriate. All of the responses have been vague generalities and references to other people's opinions about the speech.

The difference between me and many of the people on this site is that I don't AUTOMATICALLY criticize EVERYTHING he did and EVERYTHING he said. I'm selective in my criticism and my praise. I criticize every President when I disagree with their actions or their policies, and I praise every President when I agree with their actions or their policies. Can you say the same? If you can't, then I'm not the one who is wearing partisan blinders. You are.

I'll close with this: This is really not an argument that's worth continuing any more. I've attempted to make my point multiple times, and it's going nowhere. It's time to move on. I am now officially tapping out.

Feel free to say "Tapout acknowledged".
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:51 AM   #259
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The issue is the very very large number of people who took exception with that speech are simply labeled as ignorant or racist themselves. Nothing but a product of "tribal mentality" which is nothing more than another liberal bullshit catch phrase. Its just not possible in your mind to be wrong on your opinion about this.

Your refusal to acknowledge Obama was talking out of context considering the venue and circumstances is pretty mind numbing really.

As someone else stated if this was a civil right rally fine, it was a funeral for 5 police officers killed in part because of the anti police and racial divide Obama helped foster. And thats simply a fact.

Obama's comments and actions (sometimes inaction) from Trayvon Martin to Ferguson Mo fanned the flames rather than uniting the country. The whole Mike Brown media driven bullshit fiasco is the perfect example of Obama's leadership.

I know you dont see it that way, your blinders are pretty powerful.
You guys so carefully parse Obama's words to suit your narrative but push back at the notion that Trunp incited violence at his rallies when he talks about how he wants to punch protesters and will defend his supporters in court if they do (among many other similar remarks).

The partisanship is expected but the lack of self awareness is what really blows my mind.
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