Chiefs Jordan Gross may be available - Page 4

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 09:35 AM

According to the National Football Post's Michael Lombardi, Julius Peppers is "nowhere close to a new deal with the Panthers and will undoubtedly be franchised."

The Panthers will have to decide between Peppers or fellow All-Pro Jordan Gross for the franchise tag, which could enable Gross to hit the open market by March. Peppers is seeking a monster contract, and the tag would "not sit very well with him."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...aspx?sport=NFL

At only 28, he could be our solution at RT if he isn't too expensive. We obviously have a lot of money to spend.

What are the chances he's affordable?

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

$20M and little to no signing bonus?

Try again.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

$20M and little to no signing bonus?

Try again.

It was about $12M. In 2004 cap dollars, that would be almost the exact same as giving someone $20M today.

Nobody said anything about no signing bonus, but the giant first year contract is essentially the same thing as a signing bonus. Your post saying that a player wouldn't take that contract because a signing bonus is guaranteed and the first year salary isn't is asinine.

Do you really think that Julius Peppers is worried that the Chiefs would sign him to a $20M first year salary and cut him, thus denying him his money?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

It was about $12M. In 2004 cap dollars, that would be almost the exact same as giving someone $20M today.

Nobody said anything about no signing bonus, but the giant first year contract is essentially the same thing as a signing bonus. Your post saying that a player wouldn't take that contract because a signing bonus is guaranteed and the first year salary isn't is asinine.

Do you really think that Julius Peppers is worried that the Chiefs would sign him to a $20M first year salary and cut him, thus denying him his money?

I'm saying that anyone with any common ****ing sense realizes that it's not going to happen.

In all the free agent transactions that have taken place in this league, you can come up with ONE that fits your argument.

It's beyond rare.

kstater · 01-10-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

...polishing their 5 Superbowl trophies.

The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in almost as long as the Chiefs

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in almost as long as the Chiefs

So the franchises are equal?

The Cardinals have won a playoff game more recently than the Patriots, but I don't think Bob Kraft is going to try to rebuild his franchise in their image.

The point is that successful teams don't get all misty-eyed when faced with the prospect of spending money to land the most talented players, especially when they have $40M of cap space.

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm saying that anyone with any common ****ing sense realizes that it's not going to happen.

In all the free agent transactions that have taken place in this league, you can come up with ONE that fits your argument.

It's beyond rare.

It's not that rare for a team to front-load a contract when they have more current cap room than they expect to have in the future, but you did a fine job of moving the goalposts.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not that rare for a team to front-load a contract when they have more current cap room than they expect to have in the future, but you did a fine job of moving the goalposts.

I didn't move shit.

You can't seem to accept the fact that in this day, a player looking for that big FA contract isn't going to accept a front-loaded contract in place of a signing bonus.

I don't know how to make it any clearer.

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I didn't move shit.

You can't seem to accept the fact that in this day, a player looking for that big FA contract isn't going to accept a front-loaded contract in place of a signing bonus.

I don't know how to make it any clearer.

Why not both? A decent signing bonus with a front-loaded salary

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 09:00 PM

I believe you can also pay out the signing bonus whenever you want. Most teams spread it out, but we shouldn't have to.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2009, 09:00 PM

Gross would cost too much money to be a stopgap RT for a few years.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-10-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Why not both? A decent signing bonus with a front-loaded salary

A top tier FA isn't going to come here for a front loaded contract and a $15M signing bonus, when other teams are offering the $25M guaranteed guys like Peppers, Haynesworth and Suggs are likely to get. (If they even hit the FA market)

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A top tier FA isn't going to come here for a front loaded contract and a $15M signing bonus, when other teams are offering the $25M guaranteed guys like Peppers, Haynesworth and Suggs are likely to get. (If they even hit the FA market)

I believe he will be over priced.

That said, the contract could be comparable and still be front-loaded. Obvoiusly a contract that pays them less is worth less.

bdeg · 01-10-2009, 09:04 PM

Who said a front loaded contract couldnt include 25m guaranteed?

Cornstock · 01-10-2009, 09:45 PM

Having soo much salary cap room available I am of the opinion that we should spend some of it (not all, but some). Maybe not necessarily at RT with Gross, but if I were Clark Hunt and I were serious about competing, that money would be burning a hole in my pocket.

I know we're a long way from it, especially because we're such a young team, but I don't want the Chiefs to be like the Royals with their joke of a pay roll.

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A top tier FA isn't going to come here for a front loaded contract and a $15M signing bonus, when other teams are offering the $25M guaranteed guys like Peppers, Haynesworth and Suggs are likely to get. (If they even hit the FA market)

A $15M signing bonus along with a $15M first year base salary would be a better offer than a $25M signing bonus and a $5M base salary.

FloridaMan88 · 01-10-2009, 10:52 PM

Considering all the needs the Chiefs have, what is the point in spending big $$$ on a left tackle when the Chiefs already have their LT of the future in place?

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