Fire Muser

nychief · 04-28-2002, 02:42 PM

need I say more...

tk13 · 04-28-2002, 03:01 PM

Oh come on...today was only the 5th time KC's been shutout in 15 losses. We got 4 hits too. And look, we held Baltimore to 13 runs and only let them score in 7 of the 9 innings.

Seriously though, I'm beginning to think he may not last much longer. I definitely can understand the argument he's never had pitching to work with. But he's always had a decent core of hitters and this team isn't hitting. Not good when your forte is supposed to be as hitting coach.

**Rausch** · 04-28-2002, 03:06 PM

What good what it do to fire him?

We'd still have some of the worst talent in MLB, and we'd still have one of the smallest payroll's in the league.

You could bring in the Uber-skip from the Yankees and this team still wouldn't make the playoffs....

Mr. Laz · 04-28-2002, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE
What good what it do to fire him?

You could bring in the Uber-skip from the Yankees and this team still wouldn't make the playoffs....

exactly

if you wanna fire someone and have it REALLY, REALLY help the Royals then start yelling for Donald Fear to get the ax.

until the player's association agrees/forced to accept a salary cap major league baseball is not viable in smaller population areas.

there is just too much money in the T.V. and Radio contracts that are based on population. (new york 15 million, kansas city 3 million)

salary cap and profit sharing= baseball is good again

NOTHING else really matters

**Dave Lane** · 04-28-2002, 03:55 PM

Its time for him to go. I was at the game Saturday night and a change has to be made. Its not like its all his fault but its time to put some hope back in the players and fans. He's had his chance and the Royals keep getting worse not better. Time to move on.

Dave

Sure-Oz · 04-28-2002, 04:05 PM

Damn the royals suck, i dont know though, the rockies are doing pretty bad.

Alphaman · 04-28-2002, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lazarus

exactly

if you wanna fire someone and have it REALLY, REALLY help the Royals then start yelling for Donald Fear to get the ax.

until the player's association agrees/forced to accept a salary cap major league baseball is not viable in smaller population areas.

there is just too much money in the T.V. and Radio contracts that are based on population. (new york 15 million, kansas city 3 million)

salary cap and profit sharing= baseball is good again

NOTHING else really matters

I agree in part. But I think revenue sharing has to happen first. In MLB you basically have 3 parties. The big market owners, the small market owners, and the players. Until the owners get on the same page and want all teams to compete equally, then there is no incentive for the players to accept a salary cap.

BTW....FIRE MUSER...BRING UP DENT.....NOW!!!!!

Dalex · 04-28-2002, 07:32 PM

There are a lot of problems with baseball. There are a lot of problems with the Royals. It is not all Muser's fault but if you are going to fire the guy, do it!

There is no way the team can have complete focus on the field when win or lose the discussion is all about Muser's job status. Will he get fired after this loss?....Did he save his job for one more game with this win?....Let's focus on baseball not off field crap.

Sure-Oz · 04-28-2002, 08:04 PM

Fire bairds ass while your at it. We have a team full of backup players except Beltran and Sweeney our ace is a #3 starter at best, we need $$$ in the worst way.

Go Royals

shakesthecat · 04-29-2002, 06:57 AM

Both Baird and Muser need to be shown the door.

I know, "DUH"

If getting swept at home by the lowly Orioles isn't enough reason, I don't know what is.

I'm also getting tired of the excuse that the Royals can't be competative, because they have a small payroll.

Apparently no one told that to the Twins, Expos, and Pirates.

Mr. Laz · 04-29-2002, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alphaman

I agree in part. But I think revenue sharing has to happen first. In MLB you basically have 3 parties. The big market owners, the small market owners, and the players. Until the owners get on the same page and want all teams to compete equally, then there is no incentive for the players to accept a salary cap.

the salary cap pretty much has to happen at the same time... because why would a big market owner agree to profit sharing when a smaller owner will just use that money to jack up the market price without having any real parity impact.

profit sharing without a salary cap still leave the world series up for the highest bidder.

nope, we need a salary cap of about 65 million and complete media based profit sharing.

then baseball can be successfull in any market that has good fan support.

Bronco_Buster · 04-29-2002, 12:04 PM

Can you believe Muser said the players gave all their effort in last nights embarrassment? He condoned the performance that games like just happen.

I'm with Sweeney when he said guys were just standing out there like they didn't care.

keg in kc · 04-29-2002, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lazarus
then baseball can be successfull in any market that has good fan support.

And fan support would improve in markets like KC because the teams would all be on even footing year in and year out. Right now the feeling here is that there's just no way we can compete. Period. But if the teams were capped, stars wouldn't all end up in pinstripes, more franchises would be competitive and more folks than the diehards would show up at the K.

And for people who say the "small market" thing is a bogus argument, and that some small market team always seems to compete annually, I ask this question: who was the last small market team to appear in a World Series, much less win one?

When teams like the Yankee$ can afford to dish out over $100 million annually, teams that only pay $50, $60 or even $70 just can't compete. Sure they might get in a nice season here-and-there, but the teams with the big payrolls are there every year. That's the big difference.

Until that's addressed, MLB might as well be a 10-team league, because it's going to be the same horses year after year after year.

shakesthecat · 04-29-2002, 02:50 PM

keg,
I never said their didn't need to be revenue sharing or a cap.
Of course there does.

My point is(poorly worded as it was) is that that the Royals can't even compete with teams that have the same cap numbers and in some cases, smaller than KC.
The Twins have been a good team for the past couple years, and yet, their cap is 7 mil less than KC's

The franchise is a total fricken joke from the top down.

I seriously doubt I'll ever see the Royals go to another WS,
but, there is no reason they can't be a +.500 team and sniff a WC now and then.

Being out of it by May 1st every year, isn't just because they don't have a 100 million payroll, it's because the Owner, GM, scouts, Manager and Coaches are as over matched and out of their league as Gunther Cunningham was.

tk13 · 04-29-2002, 02:56 PM

I don't disagree one bit that the big horses with the money will be the teams that are there every year and probably win the World Series every year.

I think the thing that we are learning though is that teams can still be competitive and field a winning team without shelling out 100 million dollars a year on payroll. It takes a good front office that is able to develop a young core of players that work well together and have good chemistry. It's not easy, but it can be done. The Twins, A's, etc...have fielded winners. The Royals struggle just to not be one of the 5 worst teams in the league. There is no improvement whatsoever. It's been a long time since the Royals fielded a decent team. They made a playoff push late in 95 or 96 (?)...and it looked like the youth movement was going to lead this team to finally become something. I'd totally agree that we'd have a problem keeping a good young team together..but we haven't even developed enough good talent to field a .500 team. That, I believe, is the responsiblity of the front office.

Look at the Marlins, they gutted a good team...but look at what they got in return for it. They now have the best collection of young arms in the league. Now maybe the Royals couldn't have done that, but I just don't get the feeling KC's maximized it's resources in fielding a competitve baseball team.

04-28-2002, 02:42 PM
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04-28-2002, 03:01 PM	#2
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2072500	Oh come on...today was only the 5th time KC's been shutout in 15 losses. We got 4 hits too. And look, we held Baltimore to 13 runs and only let them score in 7 of the 9 innings. Seriously though, I'm beginning to think he may not last much longer. I definitely can understand the argument he's never had pitching to work with. But he's always had a decent core of hitters and this team isn't hitting. Not good when your forte is supposed to be as hitting coach.
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04-28-2002, 03:55 PM	#5
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	Its time for him to go. I was at the game Saturday night and a change has to be made. Its not like its all his fault but its time to put some hope back in the players and fans. He's had his chance and the Royals keep getting worse not better. Time to move on. Dave __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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04-28-2002, 07:32 PM	#8
Dalex Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Jefferson City Casino cash: $1906075	There are a lot of problems with baseball. There are a lot of problems with the Royals. It is not all Muser's fault but if you are going to fire the guy, do it! There is no way the team can have complete focus on the field when win or lose the discussion is all about Muser's job status. Will he get fired after this loss?....Did he save his job for one more game with this win?....Let's focus on baseball not off field crap.
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04-29-2002, 06:57 AM	#10
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4353833	Both Baird and Muser need to be shown the door. I know, "DUH" If getting swept at home by the lowly Orioles isn't enough reason, I don't know what is. I'm also getting tired of the excuse that the Royals can't be competative, because they have a small payroll. Apparently no one told that to the Twins, Expos, and Pirates.
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04-29-2002, 12:04 PM	#12
Bronco_Buster Would you give your right arm? Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Can you believe Muser said the players gave all their effort in last nights embarrassment? He condoned the performance that games like just happen. I'm with Sweeney when he said guys were just standing out there like they didn't care.
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04-29-2002, 02:50 PM	#14
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4353833	keg, I never said their didn't need to be revenue sharing or a cap. Of course there does. My point is(poorly worded as it was) is that that the Royals can't even compete with teams that have the same cap numbers and in some cases, smaller than KC. The Twins have been a good team for the past couple years, and yet, their cap is 7 mil less than KC's The franchise is a total fricken joke from the top down. I seriously doubt I'll ever see the Royals go to another WS, but, there is no reason they can't be a +.500 team and sniff a WC now and then. Being out of it by May 1st every year, isn't just because they don't have a 100 million payroll, it's because the Owner, GM, scouts, Manager and Coaches are as over matched and out of their league as Gunther Cunningham was.
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04-29-2002, 02:56 PM	#15
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2072500	I don't disagree one bit that the big horses with the money will be the teams that are there every year and probably win the World Series every year. I think the thing that we are learning though is that teams can still be competitive and field a winning team without shelling out 100 million dollars a year on payroll. It takes a good front office that is able to develop a young core of players that work well together and have good chemistry. It's not easy, but it can be done. The Twins, A's, etc...have fielded winners. The Royals struggle just to not be one of the 5 worst teams in the league. There is no improvement whatsoever. It's been a long time since the Royals fielded a decent team. They made a playoff push late in 95 or 96 (?)...and it looked like the youth movement was going to lead this team to finally become something. I'd totally agree that we'd have a problem keeping a good young team together..but we haven't even developed enough good talent to field a .500 team. That, I believe, is the responsiblity of the front office. Look at the Marlins, they gutted a good team...but look at what they got in return for it. They now have the best collection of young arms in the league. Now maybe the Royals couldn't have done that, but I just don't get the feeling KC's maximized it's resources in fielding a competitve baseball team.
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