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Old 03-04-2012, 08:53 PM  
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Cardinal Dolan says they will not yield to Obama

(CNSNews.com) – Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, sent a letter on Friday to all the Catholic bishops of the United States reasserting the conviction of the Catholic Church that it will not yield to the Obama administration’s command—issued in the form of a Health and Human Services regulation implementing the president’s health-care plan–that Catholics and Catholic institutions must violate the teachings of their faith by purchasing and providing health insurance plans that pay for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortifacients.

“We have made it clear in no uncertain terms to the government that we are not at peace with its invasive attempt to curtail the religious freedom we cherish as Catholics and Americans,” Cardinal Dolan wrote his brother bishops.

“We did not ask for this fight, but we will not run from it,” he said.

“Since January 20, when the final, restrictive HHS Rule was first announced,” Cardinal Dolan wrote, “we have become certain of two things: religious freedom is under attack, and we will not cease our struggle to protect it.”

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Old 03-05-2012, 12:00 PM   #31
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What problem do you foresee? Do you really think that Catholics are going to turn on the Church because it continues to refuse to offer contraception coverage to employees of it's charitable institutions? If so, why haven't they turned on the Church already?

This isn't about contraception. This is about religious freedom.
...and that is the bottom line. Period.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:12 PM   #32
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The Cardinal may be setting himself up for a real problem if he tries to finally address the hypocrisy of the church position on this and many other issues as it compares to the actual practices of the practicing members of the American flock.... And yeah I am Catholic so I am not attacking an institution I am not familiar with....
This is really irrelevant with regard the the official Church's First Amendment rights. They have a right to enforce their dogmas and doctrines.
Everyone knows about Cafeteria Catholics. Would those CCs like the govt stepping on their toes in other areas of the own religious conscience? No. So don't open the door to the govt doing this type of thing.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:19 PM   #33
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you would be wrong. studies have shown the pill reduces ovarian cancer by 50%.
I find this incredibly hard to believe. Anything that messes with hormones carries risks. The pill uses derivatives of estrogen and progestin. Estrogen is a known carcinogen in itself but the pill uses a synthetic—even worse imo. These are the same synthetic hormones used in hormone replacement therapy (HRT), which has well-documented risks such as: increased risk of blood clots, stroke, heart attack, and breast cancer.

The female reproductive system is connected to all other bodily systems too. So the pill influences those areas too.

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Old 03-05-2012, 01:52 PM   #34
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:20 PM   #35
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Once a religion allows the gov't to dictate their beliefs, we are all ****ed.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:22 PM   #36
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:35 PM   #37
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:17 AM   #38
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:28 AM   #39
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Once a religion allows the gov't to dictate their beliefs, we are all ****ed.
You've got that backwards.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:36 PM   #40
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Contraception isn't such a bad thing to cover, beats the hell out of abortions which should under no circumstances be covered.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:04 PM   #41
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Contraception isn't such a bad thing to cover, beats the hell out of abortions which should under no circumstances be covered.
While this isn't my opinion... Catholics feel that life begins at conception.. which makes "emergency contraception" the same as abortion. Which is covered. (see Ella or Plan-B)
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:34 PM   #42
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What amazes me about all of this is the idea that something as PURELY elective as contraception should even be CONSIDERED to be covered. When it comes to a national health care system, why are elective procedure even in the conversation?

Elective medicine has NO PLACE in a national health care mandate. Period.

Why stop at the Pill. Why not diet pills? Breast augmentation(I'm all for this actually), liposuction, fertility drugs, sex change operations, hair transplants, rogaine?
Because Sandra Flookie needs to get laid.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:37 PM   #43
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Y'know, it's relatively easy to divide and conquer Protestants, but it's just politically stupid to pick a fight with the Catholic Church.
Yeah because Catholics will totally reject Obama over birth control because most Catholics strictly follow the Church's directives on it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:38 PM   #44
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When Obama demands that Jews and Muslims eat pork maybe people would see a govt overstepping its bounds?
Did he demand that Catholics use birth control?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:45 PM   #45
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While this isn't my opinion... Catholics feel that life begins at conception.. which makes "emergency contraception" the same as abortion. Which is covered. (see Ella or Plan-B)
Perhaps they should do some thinking for themselves rather than have the Pope interpret the bible for them.
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