Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

[keg in kc]

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:

• No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
• Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
• Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, it was empty at the time she picked it up and handed it back. Joffrey then wanted it filled.

But he filled it from a large flask on the table -- if the poison was in the goblet prior to the wine then it would explain why everyone else drinking from that wasnt keeling over. Also, there's a reason Sansa asks Tyrion to leave early and I think it's because she knew what was about to happen.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by KevB

Something else occurred to me tonight as Bran saw visions while touching the tree. As a warg, might he someday be able to "control" one of the dragons?

That's what I've assumed his story was leading to since the beginning.

[Buck]

So I downloaded the episode to rewatch it instead of using HBO Go again, and I just caught something very interesting.

At 29:18, during the wedding, the Pastor says, "Cursed be he who seeks to tear them asunder." He is referring to Joffrey and the Queen. The camera pulls focus and this is what you see.

VERY INTERESTING



Edit: I rewatched, Pycelle wasn't talking in Oberin's ear, but I think there is significance to he and Olenna stand out during when this line is said.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

But he filled it from a large flask on the table -- if the poison was in the goblet prior to the wine then it would explain why everyone else drinking from that wasnt keeling over. Also, there's a reason Sansa asks Tyrion to leave early and I think it's because she knew what was about to happen.

Could be. I'd love that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Buck

So I downloaded the episode to rewatch it instead of using HBO Go again, and I just caught something very interesting.

At 28:19, during the wedding, the Pastor says, "Cursed be he who seeks to tear them asunder." He is referring to Joffrey and the Queen. The camera pulls focus and this is what you see. Pycelle is talking into the ear of Oberlin. When you see that clip in motion, you can 100% tell he is whispering into his ear, and Oberlin is reacting.

VERY INTERESTING

An odd pair to be discussing anything.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

An odd pair to be discussing anything.

I retracted that part.

[Buck]

After rewatching, my #1 culprit is Cersei and my #2 is Olenna.

Cersei tells Pycell that the food will be fed to the dogs, and he says, "but the queen said feed it to the people." She replies with, "The queen is telling you to feed it to the dogs."

When Tyrion pours the wine for Joffrey, the camera is on Cersei's face and she has a guilty look.

I also noticed that Joffrey was the only one to eat the pie, so it might have been in the pie, not the goblet.

[Raiderhater58]

I'd say the poison was definitely in the pie

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Close but no cigar.

Book readers just can't help themselves, can they? It was a rhetorical question, not looking for the answer.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Raiderhater58

I'd say the poison was definitely in the pie

No doubt in my mind, and what was with the quick close up of the pie after Joffrey had cut it with his sword. I've watched it twice and still don't see why the close up was necessary. Also, was clear that Margery fed the pie to Joffrey while not eating any herself.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by KevB

No doubt in my mind, and what was with the quick close up of the pie after Joffrey had cut it with his sword. I've watched it twice and still don't see why the close up was necessary. Also, was clear that Margery fed the pie to Joffrey while not eating any herself.

I thought the focus was on the doves he'd killed when he sliced the pie open with Widow's Wail.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I thought the focus was on the doves he'd killed when he sliced the pie open with Widow's Wail.

That's probably it, I just missed it.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by KevB

No doubt in my mind, and what was with the quick close up of the pie after Joffrey had cut it with his sword. I've watched it twice and still don't see why the close up was necessary. Also, was clear that Margery fed the pie to Joffrey while not eating any herself.

Yes I did notice that as well -- and you are a correct that it was a completely unnecessary shot given what was subsequently shown. I thought it was showing bird shit in the pie or something and that would be Joffrey's latest demeaning of Tyrion or Sansa but no. It was a weird shot I give you that.

I say Cersei (my first gut guess) or Sansa (the one who I would love for it to be)...

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I thought the focus was on the doves he'd killed when he sliced the pie open with Widow's Wail.

Maybe.

[Chazno]

I thought the shot of the pie was to show dead doves that had eaten the pie....