Where to the Chiefs go from here? What are their strengths and weaknesses?

Woodrow · 09-15-2000, 08:10 AM

I see alot of different views on why the Chiefs are not doing well. I have a few opinions, of course these are only my views and are suspect.

1. Gun has been, for most of his career, a defensive type coach. Conclusion: Go with your strength.

2. Gun is an emotional type coach. Conclusion: In an area where strength is necessary emotions should be stiffled. I'm sorry to say, not head coach material. (Shotenheimer was strong and hard and won a lot of games until he became emotional.)

3. Jimmy Raye may be a great coordinator, maybe not. Can he call plays effectively? Will his plays work in the NFL? Conclusion: Turn over all offensive calls to Jimmy, this will either prove or disprove the ability of the man. (Refer to #1)

4. Does Elvis have the tools to be a QB in the NFL? Does Elvis have the intelligence to be a QB in the NFL? Conclusion: (The gospel according to Tom) No! Mechanically he is fit, mentally I feel that he is not. This can be proven by the actions over the past few years. He has grown, but he still does not have the intellectual skills needed to throw off defenses.

5. KC needs to clean house after this season and make a new start, especially if the team goes less than .500.

I am no expert in football, I feel I do know alot about human nature. Some of us tend to be stubborn and set in our ways, Gun and Elvis both seem to fall into that category.

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Remember Joe Delaney?
Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero.
This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!!

37 Forever

Woodrow · 09-15-2000, 08:47 AM

Oh, come on!

No slams or digs?

------------------
Remember Joe Delaney?
Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero.
This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!!

37 Forever

Woodrow · 09-15-2000, 08:48 AM

Oops!

[This message has been edited by TomCash (edited 09-15-2000).]

**Bob Dole** · 09-15-2000, 08:49 AM

No slams from me Tom, what you say makes good sense to me.

shakesthecat · 09-15-2000, 08:54 AM

In some ways KC is making a fresh start right now. Gun is playing younger players and building a new roster. I like the players he's found for us and feel we have a fairly deep roster. So by cleaning house I hope you don't mean ridding ourselves of some very good recent additions.

As for Elvis, he's inconsistent. That pretty much sums it up. He can look great in some games and awful in others. He does better in 2 minutes than many people give him credit for. He doesn't always get the TD but he drove us into FG range many times last year late in a half. I'd keep him AND keep an eye out for someone better.

It seems like our running game is clogged up and our strength is in our receivers. Why we don't try to go with our strength more on offense I don't understand. All I can think is, Gun is trying to will this team into fitting his mental picture - big, fast, and ramming the ball down your throat.

DoktorSmith · 09-15-2000, 09:10 AM

Surprisingly, our strength right now is our roster. And that is a strange, strange thing for a Chiefs fan to say. We have more talented players than we have had for years. There are several very promising rookies to add to a strong core. The interior of our OL is aging, but we have replacements on hand to grow into the role. We have some big, fast players training to join our aging secondary. We are growing a nice receiving corps. We have a great FB and TE. We have a very fine LB corps.

Sadly, our primary weakness is our coaching staff. Our Coordinators are totally unqualified for the job. Raye lacks imagination, Schottenheimer lacks spine and Stock is a complete and total flop on ST. What a shame that some fine players are being wasted by incompetent coaches.

Our secondary weakness is HB. We still lack an every down breakaway threat in the backfield. Personally, I think this is directly related to our coaching woes. Even if we had our HBOTF on the roster, we would not know it. Between Gunther's refusal to leave a player in the game and Raye's pathetic play calling, it is hard to believe that any HB could flourish in KC.

Of course, a word need be said about our QB. For the first part of last season, Grbac was the worst problem with our Offense. He has since improved enough to move himself down the hit list for Offensive problems. I still would not count on him as my QBOTF, but he could be an average QB with a decent OC. He could remain behind center while we find our QBOTF. Grbac has moved from a liability to an asset. The same cannot be said for any member of our coaching staff.

xoxo~
gaz
wondering if you are allowed to have good coaches and good players in KC.<BR>

shakesthecat · 09-15-2000, 09:40 AM

[i]wondering if you are allowed to have good coaches and good players in KC.[/i]

It has been known to happen. It thought our '93 team with Marty and Hackett plus Montana and Allen was pretty damn good. Before that you have to go back quite a ways to our SB years.

09-15-2000, 08:10 AM	Topic Starter
Woodrow Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I see alot of different views on why the Chiefs are not doing well. I have a few opinions, of course these are only my views and are suspect. 1. Gun has been, for most of his career, a defensive type coach. Conclusion: Go with your strength. 2. Gun is an emotional type coach. Conclusion: In an area where strength is necessary emotions should be stiffled. I'm sorry to say, not head coach material. (Shotenheimer was strong and hard and won a lot of games until he became emotional.) 3. Jimmy Raye may be a great coordinator, maybe not. Can he call plays effectively? Will his plays work in the NFL? Conclusion: Turn over all offensive calls to Jimmy, this will either prove or disprove the ability of the man. (Refer to #1) 4. Does Elvis have the tools to be a QB in the NFL? Does Elvis have the intelligence to be a QB in the NFL? Conclusion: (The gospel according to Tom) No! Mechanically he is fit, mentally I feel that he is not. This can be proven by the actions over the past few years. He has grown, but he still does not have the intellectual skills needed to throw off defenses. 5. KC needs to clean house after this season and make a new start, especially if the team goes less than .500. I am no expert in football, I feel I do know alot about human nature. Some of us tend to be stubborn and set in our ways, Gun and Elvis both seem to fall into that category. ------------------ Remember Joe Delaney? Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero. This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!! 37 Forever
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09-15-2000, 08:47 AM	#2
Woodrow Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Oh, come on! No slams or digs? ------------------ Remember Joe Delaney? Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero. This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!! 37 Forever
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Woodrow Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Oops! [This message has been edited by TomCash (edited 09-15-2000).]
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Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $2674497	No slams from me Tom, what you say makes good sense to me.
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09-15-2000, 08:54 AM	#5
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4353833	In some ways KC is making a fresh start right now. Gun is playing younger players and building a new roster. I like the players he's found for us and feel we have a fairly deep roster. So by cleaning house I hope you don't mean ridding ourselves of some very good recent additions. As for Elvis, he's inconsistent. That pretty much sums it up. He can look great in some games and awful in others. He does better in 2 minutes than many people give him credit for. He doesn't always get the TD but he drove us into FG range many times last year late in a half. I'd keep him AND keep an eye out for someone better. It seems like our running game is clogged up and our strength is in our receivers. Why we don't try to go with our strength more on offense I don't understand. All I can think is, Gun is trying to will this team into fitting his mental picture - big, fast, and ramming the ball down your throat.
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09-15-2000, 09:10 AM	#6
DoktorSmith Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10004900	Surprisingly, our strength right now is our roster. And that is a strange, strange thing for a Chiefs fan to say. We have more talented players than we have had for years. There are several very promising rookies to add to a strong core. The interior of our OL is aging, but we have replacements on hand to grow into the role. We have some big, fast players training to join our aging secondary. We are growing a nice receiving corps. We have a great FB and TE. We have a very fine LB corps. Sadly, our primary weakness is our coaching staff. Our Coordinators are totally unqualified for the job. Raye lacks imagination, Schottenheimer lacks spine and Stock is a complete and total flop on ST. What a shame that some fine players are being wasted by incompetent coaches. Our secondary weakness is HB. We still lack an every down breakaway threat in the backfield. Personally, I think this is directly related to our coaching woes. Even if we had our HBOTF on the roster, we would not know it. Between Gunther's refusal to leave a player in the game and Raye's pathetic play calling, it is hard to believe that any HB could flourish in KC. Of course, a word need be said about our QB. For the first part of last season, Grbac was the worst problem with our Offense. He has since improved enough to move himself down the hit list for Offensive problems. I still would not count on him as my QBOTF, but he could be an average QB with a decent OC. He could remain behind center while we find our QBOTF. Grbac has moved from a liability to an asset. The same cannot be said for any member of our coaching staff. xoxo~ gaz wondering if you are allowed to have good coaches and good players in KC.<BR>
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09-15-2000, 09:40 AM	#7
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4353833	[i]wondering if you are allowed to have good coaches and good players in KC.[/i] It has been known to happen. It thought our '93 team with Marty and Hackett plus Montana and Allen was pretty damn good. Before that you have to go back quite a ways to our SB years.
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