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Old 09-25-2009, 01:18 PM  
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Jail Time For Not Paying The Health Insurance "Fee"

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/09..._.html?showall

This doesn't happen often enough.

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:06 PM   #31
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This is nothing new. This is current law.
Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

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Oh no Reid says paying income tax is voluntary.

P.S. I know two people who haven't filed in years and they're not in jail.
They eventually did but nothing real bad happened to them either.
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:08 PM   #32
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This is nothing new. This is current law.
Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

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So indeed it is a tax.....
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:18 PM   #33
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So indeed it is a tax.....
No, it isn't.

It's a requirement to "make a return, keep any records, or supply any information,"

The actual handwritten note from Barthold is here: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM11...document2.html

Show me the actual question that Ensign asked and I might be persuaded that he asked "is it a tax."

Is this Jeopardy? We get the answer and have to guess the question?
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:30 PM   #34
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Oh no Reid says paying income tax is voluntary.

P.S. I know two people who haven't filed in years and they're not in jail.
They eventually did but nothing real bad happened to them either.
There are people who deal drugs and don't get caught either, are you recommending that as a good idea?
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:35 PM   #35
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This is nothing new. This is current law.
Internal Revenue Code Section 7203
Section 7203.
Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax

Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting ''felony'' for ''misdemeanor'' and ''5 years'' for ''1 year''.

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Wow, yet another overblown hand-wringing faux outrage thread.

Shocking.

Where are all of the people who were outraged to admit they were mistaken?
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:37 PM   #36
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Did banyon say something? Sad really to talk to someone who's paying no attention.
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:46 PM   #37
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Did banyon say something? Sad really to talk to someone who's paying no attention.
What is this post about? You're not paying attention by calling attention to the fact you're not paying attention?

If you didn't read it, how do you even know I addressed you at all?

You're a bad liar. Your silly game is stupid too.

Be honest, you don't have the self control or lack of egocentricity to ignore anything about you.

I've told you over and over that I don't give two fucks whether you reply to me or not, but when you make asinine and dangerous statements like "People should just avoid paying taxes because I know some people who didn't get in much trouble for it", then you deserve to be called out on it so people aren't inadvertently misled by your nonsense.
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