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Kylo Ren · 07:08 AM

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I'm just an average Joe and I can name 5 things that would lower the price of gas in the U.S. and reduce our eliminate our dependance on foreign / Arab oil.

1. Reduce the number of gas / oil formulations from 80 down to about 3. Making zillions of gas formulations is costly and gets passed on to the consumer.
2. Build more oil / gas refineries in the U.S. There haven't been new refineries built in the U.S. since the 70's. Our current refineries can't keep up with the demand.
3. Reduce the taxes on gas. Most people don't realize how much you are paying at the pump in taxes.
4. Drill in A.N.W.A.R. !!! Some say there is an oil reserve in Alaska almost as large as the Saudi Arabian oil reserve. Yes, it would take years before that oil would hit the market, but you've got to start sometime. Also, wouldn't that help reduce oil futures, which are driving up the cost now? The greenies and the dems won't allow Alaska oil exploration.
5. Allow off-shore drilling. Again, like Alaska, there's tons of oil out there and it's untapped. We can have our own oil for years if the democrats and the greenies would just let us tap into it.

There are other solutions too. I don't have a problem with them either. Some like to burn vegetable oil in their cars. Some want to go electric. Some want ethanol. Those are fine. I use ethanol blend once in a while. I just don't believe they are a long term, realistic solution that would fit the American lifestyle and business needs. Americans need to be Americans. To maintain ourselves as the greatest nation on earth, we need to have the freedom to move and travel and do commerce at a reasonable cost. Oil / gas is proven and there is plenty of it. We just need to tap it.

**Donger** · 04-24-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Actually I do oppose it, and I'll tell you why...it's a myopic look at the situation. It makes people believe that the way to solve oil dependency is just to drill more. That's stupid and shortsighted. The only way to solve dependency on a finite resource is to stop using said resource before it runs out and we have ass-fucked ourselves. When you combine that with the detrimental environmental effects, and I don't see the point in it.

Actually, I'd argue that you're being myopic. Unless we have a viable alternative within the next ten years or so, you're just sticking your head in the dirt.

What kind of car you drive, anyway?

**Bowser** · 04-24-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Let's invade all the countries that have alot of oil, and enslave the locals to produce crude for us.

What are you, a republican?

HEY-OH!!

**morphius** · 04-24-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Actually, I'd argue that you're being myopic. Unless we have a viable alternative within the next ten years or so, you're just sticking your head in the dirt.

What kind of car you drive, anyway?

I believe he drives a gas guzzling minivan.

**Donger** · 04-24-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Shit. I've heard of people applying for patents for engines that run on water. Similar to hydrogen fuel cells. They just get pushed aside. As long as big oil keep shoving cash into politicians pocket, it is always gonna be this way...

Absolutely! I heard that they had plans for a 200 mpg carburetor once, too. But big oil crushed the plans.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Actually, I'd argue that you're being myopic. Unless we have a viable alternative within the next ten years or so, you're just sticking your head in the dirt.

What kind of car you drive, anyway?

I'm being myopic because I'm trying to stop our dependency on oil?? Furthermore, it can be conclusively proven that ANWR will not give us any form of sizeable help in our oil supply. It is a waste of time and an unnecessary deflection, much like your reply.

**Saulbadguy** · 04-24-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

What are you, a republican?

HEY-OH!!

jidar · 04-24-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm being myopic because I'm trying to stop our dependency on oil?? Furthermore, it can be conclusively proven that ANWR will not give us any form of sizeable help in our oil supply. It is a waste of time and an unnecessary deflection, much like your reply.

That's horseshit man. There is oil there and it is enough to have a measurable impact. As prices climb and supplies dwindle, it will become even more important. ANWR will definately be drilled some day, you can bank on that, the question is when not if.
It's not a magic bullet though.

Look at it this way, once ANWR has been drilled then what will people have to bitch about? Maybe they'd finally be forced to face the reality that oil will run out some day in their lifetimes? I'd just as soon we got the drilling underway so we could move on.

**Donger** · 04-24-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm being myopic because I'm trying to stop our dependency on oil?? Furthermore, it can be conclusively proven that ANWR will not give us any form of sizeable help in our oil supply. It is a waste of time and an unnecessary deflection, much like your reply.

No. You're being myopic because you're not dealing with realities, but with fancies. We do NOT HAVE an alternative to gasoline at present, nor is one around the corner. Therefore, we must keep the crude flowing while pursuing alternatives and trying to reduce demand.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

That's horseshit man. There is oil there and it is enough to have a measurable impact. As prices climb and supplies dwindle, it will become even more important. ANWR will definately be drilled some day, you can bank on that, the question is when not if.
It's not a magic bullet though.

Look at it this way, once ANWR has been drilled then what will people have to bitch about? Maybe they'd finally be forced to face the reality that oil will run out some day in their lifetimes? I'd just as soon we got the drilling underway so we could move on.

Do you really think that oil lobbyists wouldn't just find another place so that they could keep stringing us on? As I said before, ANWR drilling would make no more of an impact than a 10% increase in fuel efficiency standards.

**Dartgod** · 04-24-2006, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm being myopic because I'm trying to stop our dependency on oil??

You aren't doing anything except whining about gas guzzling vehicles on an internet BB.

Unless, of course, you can provide copies of letters you sent to your political representitives outlining your SUV "luxury tax".

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-24-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

That's what it will come to. Believe me, in 10 years we aren't all going to be running around in full sized trucks and suvs. We're so god damne wasteful now that there is a lot we can do to save on energy. Once it reaches a certain point we will do so out of necessity.
In the meanwhile we have to suffer from people who still want to project the problem on anything and everything else. ANWR, Taxes, Oil Companies, Government, War, Investors. All of these things are just scapegoats for the real source of the problem: Our wasteful consumption of a finite resource.

In Dec. 2003, about 2 weeks before Christmas, I can recall paying about $1.30/gal. for gasoline. Our 'wasteful consumption' has little to do with it. Are you trying to tell me that we've wasted so much in 2 1/2 years to justify a 100%+ increase over that time?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

No. You're being myopic because you're not dealing with realities, but with fancies. We do NOT HAVE an alternative to gasoline at present, nor is one around the corner. Therefore, we must keep the crude flowing while pursuing alternatives and trying to reduce demand.

Hybrid vehicles, hydrogen fuel cells, electricity-powered vehicles--these are all feasible realities that have been constructed as fancies by the discourse controlled by big oil and its pocketed politicos.

jidar · 04-24-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

In Dec. 2003, about 2 weeks before Christmas, I can recall paying about $1.30/gal. for gasoline. Our 'wasteful consumption' has little to do with it. Are you trying to tell me that we've wasted so much in 2 1/2 years to justify a 100%+ increase over that time?

It's been a long time coming, but price increases in the face of supply not meeting demand are drastic and sudden.

**Donger** · 04-24-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hybrid vehicles, hydrogen fuel cells, electricity-powered vehicles--these are all feasible realities that have been constructed as fancies by the discourse controlled by big oil and its pocketed politicos.

Actually, I agree on fuel cells, although we'd have to figure out a way of getting the hydrogen out to folks.

Hybrids are fine, but they still use gasoline. Great for reducing demand if deployed in vast numbers (and people are willing to sacrifice performance).

Electricity-powered vehicles? You mean solar?

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-24-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Absolutely! I heard that they had plans for a 200 mpg carburetor once, too. But big oil crushed the plans.

I take it you don't buy it. I guess hydrogen fuel cells don't work, either...

04-24-2006, 06:57 AM
Kylo Ren Grandson of Darth Vader Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Starkiller Base Casino cash: $10015175	Gas prices in the U.S. by county........ http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx I'm just an average Joe and I can name 5 things that would lower the price of gas in the U.S. and reduce our eliminate our dependance on foreign / Arab oil. 1. Reduce the number of gas / oil formulations from 80 down to about 3. Making zillions of gas formulations is costly and gets passed on to the consumer. 2. Build more oil / gas refineries in the U.S. There haven't been new refineries built in the U.S. since the 70's. Our current refineries can't keep up with the demand. 3. Reduce the taxes on gas. Most people don't realize how much you are paying at the pump in taxes. 4. Drill in A.N.W.A.R. !!! Some say there is an oil reserve in Alaska almost as large as the Saudi Arabian oil reserve. Yes, it would take years before that oil would hit the market, but you've got to start sometime. Also, wouldn't that help reduce oil futures, which are driving up the cost now? The greenies and the dems won't allow Alaska oil exploration. 5. Allow off-shore drilling. Again, like Alaska, there's tons of oil out there and it's untapped. We can have our own oil for years if the democrats and the greenies would just let us tap into it. There are other solutions too. I don't have a problem with them either. Some like to burn vegetable oil in their cars. Some want to go electric. Some want ethanol. Those are fine. I use ethanol blend once in a while. I just don't believe they are a long term, realistic solution that would fit the American lifestyle and business needs. Americans need to be Americans. To maintain ourselves as the greatest nation on earth, we need to have the freedom to move and travel and do commerce at a reasonable cost. Oil / gas is proven and there is plenty of it. We just need to tap it. Last edited by Kylo Ren; 04-24-2006 at 07:08 AM..
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