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Old 05-16-2018, 11:17 AM  
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Mike Clay from ESPN projected our season

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Iím seeing that heís got us going 8-8. Hereís his projected stats:

Mahomes-4,041 yards, 21 TDís, 15 INTís, 3 rushing TDís
Hunt-1,005 rush yards, 8 rush TDís, 439 rush yards 2 receiving
Kelce-982 yards, 5 TDís
Hill-1,055 yards, 5 TDís
Watkins-973 yards, 5 TDís

Jones-4 sacks
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Fuller-3 INTís
Berry- 2 INTís
Amerson-2 INTís
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:30 PM   #31
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His INT's won't be very high simply due to the fact he is going to have some large windows to throw the ball into with Kelce, Hunt, Watkins, and Hill all on the field.
I'm not sold on Watkins being what the Chiefs paid him to be, but the other three guys are studs for sure. I still think the coverages in the NFL will generate some INTs, especially early on, but not many late. Aside from the fact it will probably be bad for Oakland, I'm really looking forward to seeing Mahomes play. He reminds me of Elway a bit.
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:44 PM   #32
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Explain why you think that is impossible, it looks realistic to me.
because its never happened in the history of the NFL?
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:44 PM   #33
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Need to adda zero to the back of each of those numbers for every player. 210 TDs just watch.

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Old 05-16-2018, 02:21 PM   #34
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So you agree, Mahomes will only have 21 TD's in a full season this year?

And my point was- If Brady had the same exact weapons- they would be predicting a record-breaking year.

Is Mahomes 20 to 30 less TD's less talented than Brady- I don't think so.

Chiefs and Mahomes are getting zero respect.
Wtf. You people are insane homers.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:57 PM   #35
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I have a hard time seeing less than 28 TD’s unless Pat gets hurt.

Goff had 28 last year with the same elite caliber coaching, but without as many star weapons as what Mahomes has this year.

Goff also threw the ball on average 30X a game and relied more heavily on Gurley. I really think that Mahomes is going to average 35+ throws a game this year. Alex averaged 33.6 last year and I think we’ll air it out more with Pat.
I think Kareem is going to rack up TDs big time which might take away from Pat’s passing total. We have to remember that odds are Hunt won’t see a box heavier than 6 guys very often.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:03 PM   #36
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I disagree with some of these projections, but in my opinion Mike Clay is the best there is at projecting fantasy football.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:11 PM   #37
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If Brady had the same weapons he would be projecting 50 TD's.

Biased Trash.
You stupid asshole. Stop comparing our QB who has had one (with backups in on both teams) NFL start to unquestionably the greatest QB to ever play game who has been coached by maybe the greatest coach to ever coach the game. It is his first full NFL season jackass, many hall of fame QBs don't hit their grove until after a few years and Brady/Roth are extreme exceptions. Considering the shit we've dealt with at QB we should be god damned elated if Mahomes mirrors Eli, Warner, Wilson, or Brees who all have at least one SB appearance. You are exactly the type of stupid asshole who will be booing by game three if Mahomes isn't playing like an elite veteran future HOF QB. Keep your ignorant mouth shut for at least one or two seasons moron.

Mahomes has displayed, in limited preseason and basically one psuedo preseason game, unique and special talents never before seen by us lowly Chiefs fans. Sit back, enjoy, give the god damn kid a chance and shut your stupid ****ing mouth until he has a chance and the time to show us one way or the other.

We haven't drafted a first round qb since ****ing 83, and some stupid asshole is already comparing him to Brady before he even has a legitimate NFL start.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:48 PM   #38
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I'm not sold on Watkins being what the Chiefs paid him to be, but the other three guys are studs for sure. I still think the coverages in the NFL will generate some INTs, especially early on, but not many late. Aside from the fact it will probably be bad for Oakland, I'm really looking forward to seeing Mahomes play. He reminds me of Elway a bit.
With Hill and Kelce on the field, Watkins becomes more of a beast

The reason Watkins yardage was so-so last year is two-fold

Watkins joined the team late and Goff didn't get the reps in with him

Goff likely did not feel comfortable forcing the ball to him because of lack of reps. Mahomes shouldn't have this problem because he simply throws to open receivers, whereas more conservative QBs like Goff and Smith are averse to this.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:54 PM   #39
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Yeah, Goff was throwing to exactly who he was told to throw to most times.. he didn't make things happen so much.. he played within the system.

That is all well and good, but the system mostly used Watkins as a decoy it looked like. He was running wide open again and again, and would not get the ball.

I think he is going to have a really, really good year.. over a thousand yards easily.

EDIT: It is hard though.. pencil Hill in for 1000, pencil Kelce in for a 1000, pencil Watkins in for 1000. Looks like Andy has been indicating they will be throwing to the running backs more. That is a lot of yards quick.
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:18 PM   #40
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that means Hill, Watkins, Kelce and Hunt need to average 62.5 yards per game EACH to hit 1000 yards. Those 4 alone would have to allocate 250 yards of offense per game. Even if we bump the offense's YPG from their 372 number in 2017 (5th in the NFL, already elite.) to 395 (that's above NE and NO, so they would be #1 last year in the NFL in offensive ypg) that still only leaves 145 yards of offense for the rest of the team. (Alex Smith left 400 rushing yards on the table from scrambling, Hunt caught for 400 yards, Albert Wilson had 500 yards.) Those stats aren't just going to go to Sammy Watkins lol. It's almost impossible. It's literally why they signed 5 RBs in the offseason. Because another RB is going to get stats in this offense.

The 1000 WR, 1000 WR, 1000 TE, 1000 RB, 4000 QB club is basically a historic record breaking offense that has never been done before, and you expect a QB in his first full season as a starter to do it? That would make it the best offense ever in the NFL (and the best Fantasy Offense ever as well).

I could see if there was maybe a precedent or a benchmark for this but there isn't. You're also not considering the injury factor, another reason this is impossible, operating under the assumption that each player plays a full durable season. (hint: Watkins has done that once, and he didn't even get a 1000 yards playing 16 games.)
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:39 PM   #41
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You stupid asshole. Stop comparing our QB who has had one (with backups in on both teams) NFL start to unquestionably the greatest QB to ever play game who has been coached by maybe the greatest coach to ever coach the game. It is his first full NFL season jackass, many hall of fame QBs don't hit their grove until after a few years and Brady/Roth are extreme exceptions. Considering the shit we've dealt with at QB we should be god damned elated if Mahomes mirrors Eli, Warner, Wilson, or Brees who all have at least one SB appearance. You are exactly the type of stupid asshole who will be booing by game three if Mahomes isn't playing like an elite veteran future HOF QB. Keep your ignorant mouth shut for at least one or two seasons moron.

Mahomes has displayed, in limited preseason and basically one psuedo preseason game, unique and special talents never before seen by us lowly Chiefs fans. Sit back, enjoy, give the god damn kid a chance and shut your stupid ****ing mouth until he has a chance and the time to show us one way or the other.

We haven't drafted a first round qb since ****ing 83, and some stupid asshole is already comparing him to Brady before he even has a legitimate NFL start.
Look out folks, we have an internet tough guy here. Yes sir boss- I will keep my mouth shut.

I was not saying Mahomes is Brady you dumb ****- I was making a point at how many weapons Mahomes will have to work with next year. Mahomes showed plenty in college and his limited NFL experience to project that he is capable of getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers. He has also stated as much in interviews- saying that is his number one job.

So if you believe he will average less than a TD and half per game- either you think his entire college career is due to the system- or Hill, Watkins, Hunt and Kelce will be shut out most of the year and at best, held to pedestrian numbers for their talent.

Nice rant by the way- but not drafting a QB since 83 and most of the other stupid shit you posted, has zero to do with what will happen next year. Please pour yourself a big glass of shut the **** up, asshole.

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Need to adda zero to the back of each of those numbers for every player. 210 TDs just watch.

I heard that Arrowhead has been testing the scoreboard to be sure that they can put up three digits.
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that means Hill, Watkins, Kelce and Hunt need to average 62.5 yards per game EACH to hit 1000 yards. Those 4 alone would have to allocate 250 yards of offense per game. Even if we bump the offense's YPG from their 372 number in 2017 (5th in the NFL, already elite.) to 395 (that's above NE and NO, so they would be #1 last year in the NFL in offensive ypg) that still only leaves 145 yards of offense for the rest of the team. (Alex Smith left 400 rushing yards on the table from scrambling, Hunt caught for 400 yards, Albert Wilson had 500 yards.) Those stats aren't just going to go to Sammy Watkins lol. It's almost impossible. It's literally why they signed 5 RBs in the offseason. Because another RB is going to get stats in this offense.

The 1000 WR, 1000 WR, 1000 TE, 1000 RB, 4000 QB club is basically a historic record breaking offense that has never been done before, and you expect a QB in his first full season as a starter to do it? That would make it the best offense ever in the NFL (and the best Fantasy Offense ever as well).

I could see if there was maybe a precedent or a benchmark for this but there isn't. You're also not considering the injury factor, another reason this is impossible, operating under the assumption that each player plays a full durable season. (hint: Watkins has done that once, and he didn't even get a 1000 yards playing 16 games.)
Good post. Watkins and his health are definitely the wild card in that scenario. The Chiefs must think he can stay healthy for what they paid him.

Usually, for that amount of money, you would expect a minimum of 1000 yards receiving. But as you stated- there are only so many balls to go around. It is going to be interesting what they have in store for Watkins and why they outbid other teams to bring him in. It is going to be an exciting year. I really don't see how defenses are going to be able to keep us off the scoreboard.
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Look out folks, we have an internet tough guy here. Yes sir boss- I will keep my mouth shut.
Internet tough guys think red boxes matter.

He hasn't made an NFL start, you're already comparing him to the best ever. Relax, enjoy, give the kid a year or two or hell maybe even on true NFL start before you start in with that type of narrative.

My post was admittedly harsh, however absolute truth. You compared, with great emotion, our potential franchise QB we've waited 30+ years for to the greatest to ever play the position before he even has one true start under his belt. Calm down Francis, he looks amazing, give him a chance. Dial back the expectations for a year or two maybe?
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