If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

This, a thousand times this. To infinity.

I won't argue that Alex Smith is better than anything the Chiefs had on the roster last year. That's also dubious praise - kinda of like being the smartest kind on the short bus or the most compassionate person in patteau's household.

But it's a move with limited upside. Yes, It helps them win more NOW with the players here before they are washed up, but it only gets the team into the "win enough to scrape into the playoffs and maybe host a first-round game" territory. They're not going to make a serious postseason run with Alex Smith at QB sans him pulling a Gannon or sans the Chiefs defense turning into a killer unit (even better than the one he couldn't make a serious postseason run with in San Fran).

You don't build a consistent winner that can challenge for multiple postseason runs without an elite or franchise guy at QB. And by trading so much for Alex Smith, even if this leadership group is NOT hitching its wagon to Alex Smith, it is taking on an extreme opportunity cost.

If the Chiefs win an average of 10 games the next two years with Alex Smith, they're going to be drafting in the teens to early 20s. And without a second round pick next year, they're severely limited in what they can do in the draft. Say there's a guy like Roethlisberger that KC and Reid LOVE in next year's draft who's slipping to 10-12 in round 1. Without a second rounder, it's that much harder to move up and grab that guy.

Finding a franchise QB is hard. Alex Smith makes it harder in a lot of ways, because they're likely to win JUST enough to require serious flexibility or creativity or luck to go take "their" guy in the draft.

At the same time, we've seen so much shitty football for the last 6-8 years, are you really going to be upset with 10 win seasons?

Especially when guys like Flacco in the latter half of the first, Kaepernick in the 2nd or Wilson in the 3rd are becoming just a little more common. It's getting easier to find a 'franchise QB' these days as the rules tilt more and more in favor of the passing game.

No, Alex Smith is not likely to be that guy, but I'm also far from convinced that you have to have a 3 win season to get a guy that you can win a SB with. You have to be smart and above all you have to try to find that guy.

I think Dorsey and crew understand and agree with that. I think they also busted their asses turning over stones looking for the next big thing and just didn't like what they saw. In the end, they did get a guy that's as talented as anyone that came out of this draft, so that's pretty damn exciting.

And when they decided that this wasn't the year to take a big swing at the QB position, they decided not to piss away another prime year from some great players in pursuit of a top 5 overall pick again. They got themselves a competent QB at way too high a cost, IMO. At the same time, they did acquire an NFL caliber starting QB and that's going to be a huge relief. It's going to make Sunday's worth watching again, even if we know the ceiling isn't as high as it could be.

I'm tired of shitty football and frankly I'm tired of the assumption that sucking will get you a great QB. Next year's QB class is lukewarm as well - I don't want to go through 3 wins again so I can pick between Teddy Bridgewater and Taj Boyd.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

So the Chiefs should have just kept what they had- or Over drafted a QB this year. Let their fans suffer through yet another year of horrible, pathetic QB play in hopes of maybe possibly drafting a QB next year?

We got the best QB out there and all people do on here is call him alice and wish nothing but bad luck on him and the team.

I have seen this before. The feet dig in so deeply that some will be hoping Alex fails miserably just so they can yell, "See?!? I was right!!!"... and somehow "being right" is priority 1 over wanting team success. Sounds awful... sounds far-fetched... but I have seen it. It will happen.

Fans can make their own plans, but one thing they often fail to consider are the team players. The coaches need to have their players pumped with optimism. Guys like Dwayne Bowe might see the F/O bring in a guy like Alex and it makes them feel that hey, maybe these guys are serious about turning things around. Or they can bring in some rookie to develop... and then the vets roll their eyes and think, bleh... rebuilding BS... We're not going anywhere for years, I want out.

Still excited for the coming season...

[ceebz]

Am I the only one who thinks this team doesn't come close to ten wins this season?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ceebz

Am I the only one who thinks this team doesn't come close to ten wins this season?

Oh, it looks like most people agree with you. Some even sound like they would rather lose out than to win 10 games and get a quick boot out of the playoffs. I have you pegged for 9 wins myself. Then more the next season.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

At the same time, we've seen so much shitty football for the last 6-8 years, are you really going to be upset with 10 win seasons?

Especially when guys like Flacco in the latter half of the first, Kaepernick in the 2nd or Wilson in the 3rd are becoming just a little more common. It's getting easier to find a 'franchise QB' these days as the rules tilt more and more in favor of the passing game.

No, Alex Smith is not likely to be that guy, but I'm also far from convinced that you have to have a 3 win season to get a guy that you can win a SB with. You have to be smart and above all you have to try to find that guy.

I think Dorsey and crew understand and agree with that. I think they also busted their asses turning over stones looking for the next big thing and just didn't like what they saw. In the end, they did get a guy that's as talented as anyone that came out of this draft, so that's pretty damn exciting.

And when they decided that this wasn't the year to take a big swing at the QB position, they decided not to piss away another prime year from some great players in pursuit of a top 5 overall pick again. They got themselves a competent QB at way too high a cost, IMO. At the same time, they did acquire an NFL caliber starting QB and that's going to be a huge relief. It's going to make Sunday's worth watching again, even if we know the ceiling isn't as high as it could be.

I'm tired of shitty football and frankly I'm tired of the assumption that sucking will get you a great QB. Next year's QB class is lukewarm as well - I don't want to go through 3 wins again so I can pick between Teddy Bridgewater and Taj Boyd.

No. But a 10-win season in which the Chiefs have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs feels no different to me than a 5-win season. Or even a 3-win season.

I don't assume that sucking again would guarantee the Chiefs get a guy who can be a franchise QB, because I'm going to have to SEE someone calling the shots for the Chiefs you know, DRAFT a QB before I believe they'll actually do it. And because those guys ARE hard to find.

But if they ARE willing to draft a QB, it's sure as hell easier to do it with better draft picks.

Is there any Chiefs who wouldn't trade the Chiefs' 7 wins and "competitive" season in 2011 for an 0-16 campaign in which they lost by an average of 21 points, in hindsight?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

No. But a 10-win season in which the Chiefs have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs feels no different to me than a 5-win season. Or even a 3-win season.

I disagree with you 100%. As badly as 2010 ended, I had a WAY more fun during that season than I did these past two and it's not even close.

[ayleswbj]

2 wins to 10 wins, doesnt happen often, there is some serious talent on this team though. An organized coaching staff an new life in the organization. I personally think we are gonna see a revived andy reid. He went through some horrible struggles personally with his family. Some time has passed and he seems to be rejuvenated.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ceebz

Am I the only one who thinks this team doesn't come close to ten wins this season?

The schedule is very favorable. If we had last years schedule I would say no way even close. With this schedule and some luck maybe 8-8. Hell, Haley and Cassell took a less talented team to 10 wins so the sun does shine on a dogs ass.

This team is really such a crap shoot though because we don't know how Andy plans on running the offense and is the defensive line can be servicable. If Reid plans on throwing over 32 times a game than yeah, we may not win 5-6, if he adjust than we can be average.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

No. But a 10-win season in which the Chiefs have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs feels no different to me than a 5-win season. Or even a 3-win season.

I don't assume that sucking again would guarantee the Chiefs get a guy who can be a franchise QB, because I'm going to have to SEE someone calling the shots for the Chiefs you know, DRAFT a QB before I believe they'll actually do it. And because those guys ARE hard to find.

But if they ARE willing to draft a QB, it's sure as hell easier to do it with better draft picks.

Is there any Chiefs who wouldn't trade the Chiefs' 7 wins and "competitive" season in 2011 for an 0-16 campaign in which they lost by an average of 21 points, in hindsight?

Really?

You honestly felt the same way in 2010 as you did in 2012?

I call bullshit, hoss.

As a season ticket holder, for me personally they feel a ton different. I woke up in 2010 interested to see how the day went and excited for a good football game. I remember the elation of piss-pounding the 49ers and that shocker vs SD. There was legitimate excitement for massive swaths of the season, even if we knew it probably wasn't a SB team.

In 2012, it was nothing more than a grind. I went to the games because the tickets were paid for and that's it.

Sorry, but I think you're simply being dogmatic here. I don't believe you or anyone else that tries to argue that they didn't feel any differently about Chiefs football in 2010 than they did in 2012.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by -King-

I disagree with you 100%. As badly as 2010 ended, I had a WAY more fun during that season than I did these past two and it's not even close.

That's cool, and I understand it.

I'm just not there anymore. I've had all the fun I can have with a 10-win season that is going to end in the first round of the playoffs barring something fluky and/or miraculous happening.

I'd rather stomach losing a lot while building towards something the right way (read: the same way the rest of the NFL is doing it, or a cutting edge way) than winning 7-10 games and being respectable using a recycled, antiquated approach.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ceebz

Am I the only one who thinks this team doesn't come close to ten wins this season?

Eh, define close.

I put them at 9, only because I was generous, looked at 4 games I didn't think they'd win but figured they'd be close and decided I'd give them an extra W.

I think it's a 7 win team with ease, more likely an 8 win team and a possible 9 win team. That's 'close' to 10 wins.

[Sandy Vagina]

I bring this up, only because it was recently discussed here as a way of slamming Alex.

Khaled Elsayed ‏@PFF_Khaled 2h
For those asking Frank Gore faced 8 men in the box
37.8% of time with Smith starter
46.6% of time with Kaepernick starting

so teams loaded 8 in the box because they didn't respect the QB? Hmmm.... just sayin'

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Really?

You honestly felt the same way in 2010 as you did in 2012?

I call bullshit, hoss.

As a season ticket holder, for me personally they feel a ton different. I woke up in 2010 interested to see how the day went and excited for a good football game. I remember the elation of piss-pounding the 49ers and that shocker vs SD. There was legitimate excitement for massive swaths of the season, even if we knew it probably wasn't a SB team.

In 2012, it was nothing more than a grind. I went to the games because the tickets were paid for and that's it.

Sorry, but I think you're simply being dogmatic here. I don't believe you or anyone else that tries to argue that they didn't feel any differently about Chiefs football in 2010 than they did in 2012.

I didn't enjoy the 2010 season, not really. I didn't see anything more than a fluky playoff run (based on a weak schedule) - at best - coming for that year.

People I work with were all about the Chiefs' chances entering that season, and thought I was crazy for thinking the Chiefs had no chance even if they did manage to scrape into the playoffs.

I felt on August 1, 2010 that the Chiefs had literally no shot at winning a playoff game or making a real run. Which is the same way I felt about the Chiefs on August 1, 2012. I was never emotionally checked into 2010, just like I was never emotionally checked into 2012, because I could see a replay of 1992, 1994, 1997, 2003, etc. coming.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I bring this up, only because it was recently discussed here as a way of slamming Alex.



so teams loaded 8 in the box because they didn't respect the QB? Hmmm.... just sayin'

So your argument is that in 1/3 the snaps Smith faced a 8 man front, right?...

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Hootie

there are no similarities between Cassel and Smith

I hope this post is dripping with irony.