The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Buck]

Originally Posted by Dimension2112

How many times are you gonna change your name?

4,815,162,342 times

[Mr Luzcious]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Also, the cover of the Secondary Protocol pretty much confirms the link between Widmore and DHARMA. However, the symbol on the cover matches the symbol for the as-yet unseen "Orchid". The center spiral also reminds me a great deal of the old TV show "The Time Tunnel".

Makes sense, didn't Widmore say he'd owned the island before Ben?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Per darkufo: Richard Francis Burton.

Sir Richard Francis Burton KCMG FRGS (March 19, 1821 – October 20, 1890) was an English explorer, translator, writer, soldier, orientalist, ethnologist, linguist, poet, hypnotist, fencer and diplomat. He was known for his travels and explorations within Asia and Africa as well as his extraordinary knowledge of languages and cultures. According to one count, he spoke 29 European, Asian, and African languages.

He is also the first non-muslim European to have made the hajj.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Francis_Burton

Fascinating chap. I'm intrigued a high school kid would have his picture in his locker.

Burton is the also central figure in Philip José Farmer's Riverworld series, in which billions of Earth's dead are resurrected for study by extraterrestrials.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Guru

I have wondered about John being Jacob on some level.

Well, the "whispers" in the forest when you hear inaudible sounds have apparently been (at the time) living members of the island that are now (considered) dead.

DarkUFO has a huge list of most of the "whispers."

I think Ben, Claire, and a few others have been heard in the whispers for over 2 seasons. I'm guessing characters that are dead or are going to die. Not that I'm sure you can die permanently. Apparently you can on-island, but not off...

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Burton is the also central figure in Philip José Farmer's Riverworld series, in which billions of Earth's dead are resurrected for study by extraterrestrials.

I keep meaning to give those a read. I tried to watch the miniseries, but rapidly lost interest. I'm told the books are much better.

Originally Posted by Mr Luzcious

Makes sense, didn't Widmore say he'd owned the island before Ben?

I think so. He strongly implied it when he told Ben "everything you have, you stole from me".

What has stuck in my head from that conversation was another of Widmore's statements: "I know who you are, what you are."

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Burton is the also central figure in Philip José Farmer's Riverworld series, in which billions of Earth's dead are resurrected for study by extraterrestrials.

A: Sounds like my next Amazon purchase.

B: A combination of both wouldn't shock me in the least. The LOST writers seem to be a combination of about 10 T. S. Eliot's. On some level I'm wondering if this isn't their attempt to get net-nerds to discover the ties behind a TV version of "The Waste Land."

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by Rausch

A: Sounds like my next Amazon purchase.

B: A combination of both wouldn't shock me in the least. The LOST writers seem to be a combination of about 10 T. S. Eliot's. On some level I'm wondering if this isn't their attempt to get net-nerds to discover the ties behind a TV version of "The Waste Land."

Interesting take. I like it. I am very grateful to Mr. Abrams and company for creating a TV show that really makes me stretch my noggin. It's fueled more than a few late night bull sessions that resulted in some serious skull sweat.

It gives me hope that others will realize there is an audience that likes to be challenged, and not spoon-fed visual Soma.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Interesting take. I like it. I am very grateful to Mr. Abrams and company for creating a TV show that really makes me stretch my noggin. It's fueled more than a few late night bull sessions that resulted in some serious skull sweat.

If you're a fan you THINK.

Imagine that for a pop-show that can still pull ratings.

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

It gives me hope that others will realize there is an audience that likes to be challenged, and not spoon-fed visual Soma.

Abandon all hope on that front.

And teh rheps for a Brave New World quip.

I made a joke at work (amongst teachers, all with masters) about the big three (O-bama, Billary, McCain't) not showing their true faces.

"They're all bland because our new overlords know what we'll think of them if we get a good glimpse of who they really are. 10 years after any of these @$$holes our kids will be preparing to meet the great God-mind in the sky..."

*blank stares.*

Childhoods End. Anyone?

*blank stares.*

[irishjayhawk]

I'd love to think but I don't know what to think about. Most of these references are way over my head.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I'd love to think but I don't know what to think about. Most of these references are way over my head.

Nah.

What they refer to isn't.

Some great books in recent posts: A Brave New World (negative dystopia,) Childhoods End (I'd argue a negative dystopia,) and numerous others.

I highly recomend reading both. You won't be bored or drowned out by them.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Nah.

What they refer to isn't.

Some great books in recent posts: A Brave New World (negative dystopia,) Childhoods End (I'd argue a negative dystopia,) and numerous others.

I highly recomend reading both. You won't be bored or drowned out by them.

I liked Brave New World. Soma is a pretty big influence in my thinking.

[SithCeNtZ]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

The time travel was explained but in reverse this time. This time it came to the island BEFORE, whereas Faraday's experiment came in LATE.

My only concern with this show is that the writers are going to try to get "too smart" and just start throwing things out there that don't make any sense. The doctor thing is one of those things. How can a guy go forward in time, and yet not go forward in time? How can you do both at the same time? The answer in this bizzare time travel land is you can't, unless you are just going to allow anything to randomly happen through multiple time vortex's or something.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ

My only concern with this show is that the writers are going to try to get "too smart" and just start throwing things out there that don't make any sense. The doctor thing is one of those things. How can a guy go forward in time, and yet not go forward in time? How can you do both at the same time?

The island is not "anchored" in time.

When they talked about "moving" the island I don't think the "Shack people" meant in space, I think they meant in time.

[SithCeNtZ]

Originally Posted by Rausch

The island is not "anchored" in time.

When they talked about "moving" the island I don't think the "Shack people" meant in space, I think they meant in time.

Which is fine, but there has to be an anchor somewhere right? I'm fine with your theory that the island can go back and forth in time relative to the outside world. But how can the doctor go into the future without actually going into the future? I'll just give my best analogy to show why this confuses me:


Lets say you and I build a time travel machine(basically what people are calling the field around the island) that we know will send us 5 years into the future. You and I also invent a phone that can communicate with the future. We call the president and say we are going to send him something into his portal so we know that you are arriving 5 years later. Now, lets say I wanted to kill you to keep all of the profits of our time machine to myself, so I decide I'm going to kill you and send your body through the portal, thus leaving no evidence of my crime. Your dead body CAN NOT go through that time machine until I kill you, right? I can't "send" your body through the portal with you standing right next to me can I? No, I would have to kill you first, then send you through the portal.

So how can the doctor go forward in time to the island if he never actually crossed the barrier into the island? In my hypothetical scenerio, if you were the owner of the time machine 5 years in the future, would you expect things to randomly start appearing in your time machine even though I, 5 years in the past, never put anything in it?

[keg in kc]

They'd already established the possibility of a time differential between the island and the freighter with Daniel's rocket experiment, earlier in the season.

The trick will be explaining how it works.