Cops & Homeless Man

[Jimmya]

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper


Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT





New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.

[Fairplay]

That looks like a shitty neighborhood the cops had many previous experiences there, if someone is waving around with a gun well you're an idiot.

[Jimmya]

Agreed.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Fish

I support the right to arm bears.

I love this place.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

He was picking up all of his shit and all I heard was "No reason to be scared....I'm not a murderer" and the cop says "Do it". I'm not defending the cops for their actions.

Yeah, that's what I watched as well... the guy started to calm down/get his head right and communicate peacefully with them.

It was that inexplicable flashbang grenade that threw the entire situation into a shitpuddle... there was simply no reason for that, the guy was calmly interacting and had only turned to grab his gear. This whole thing is pathetic, based on what I'm seeing online the citizens in that area are absolutely pissed.

This story isn't over, people will lose their jobs at the least.

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You are comparing a traffic stop with a guy verbally threatening officers, having a three hour standoff with officers, and wielding two knives at officers and I'm the dumb ****?

Do you honestly believe that the cops would have shot him if he didn't reach into his pockets and pull out knives? This guy wanted to be shot and in the end he got exactly what he wanted. I just wish he wouldn't have wasted the taxpayer's money and stabbed himself in the throat. Same result, fewer bleeding ****ing vaginas worried about a crazy man with a death wish.

No... He is comparing a traffic stop with a guy getting busted for camping. The comparison has a lot more objectivity than you realize. A traffic stop can and has escalated to this degree as we'll all across America. There are potentially a lot of background stories to this that we will never know about. What if the guy had been beaten by cops in the past for no other reason than being homeless. He could not only potentially feel like society doesn't give a shit about him, but combined with the possible histories we don't know about be perhaps irrationally (god What a nut thinking he can't trust the cops here right?) fearing for his livelihood. When cornered he felt he had to defend himself... Considering how many times he tried to tell the cops he wasn't a threat to them is it that far fetched to find this plausible?

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by Fish

You keep repeating this. But the cops still have a responsibility to protect him even if he wanted to be shot. I have no pity for the dead dude considering the way he went about it. But you don't excuse the cops' misconduct one single bit just because the dumbass wanted to die.

Truth

[Tacoman]

I typically side with police officers in these types of situations, they have a shitty job in that they have to put up with the most out of control people in our society, they don't get paid as much as they should considering they put their lives on the line every day, and they rarely get any credit from the general public for the services they provide. There are always a few bad apples that ruin their image by being power mongers, but that's not a cop trait that's a human trait, there are examples of that in every profession. Like it or not, we NEED the police to keep the order in our society.

All that being said, anyone who can watch this video and think that this was justified is beyond me. This is a homeless guy getting busted for camping for **** sakes, the fact that it ever escalated to a situation where human life was lost is mind boggling. The cops handled the whole situation very poorly, there is no excuse for this that would justify this death to me having now seen the video.

Why didn't they just taze the shit out of him and cuff him, what the hell is with the guy who keeps shooting him while he is face down and not moving? To anyone with this bullshit story about how he was some ****ing ninja who was going to hurl the knife 20 feet into someone throat or whatever, refer to the other video a few pages back where the guy gets blown to shit for simply putting his arms down after firing at cops and surrendering (that is a much more easy to defend the cops scenario than this by a long shot). If that guy had raised his arms to even try to throw a knife they would have gunned him down on the spot. The cops were not in danger here, they flat out ****ed this whole job up and someone lost their life over it. There should be consequences.

[Tacoman]

I can't post links, so someone who can should post the MSN link... It looks like things have dramatically escalated since the the two killings took place. People are rioting in the streets now demanding resignation of the authority figures in the APD.

[Tacoman]

This whole thing seems to have gone from bad to worse down in NM. Hopefully there are not any more lives lost regardless of which side is right or wrong.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I've seen people pull the taser needles out of their skin while getting a full charge. Then I watched him pull his nut sack open (like hulk Hogan pulling his shirt off before a bout) and fling one of his nuts on the wall because he didn't think I could make him leave his house. He was being arrested for stabbing his brother in the leg because it was his turn to **** their mother that night and the other brother said no.

[planetdoc]

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: ALBUQUERQUE POLICE USE OF FORCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
http://krqe.com/2014/04/10/justice-d...ndings-on-apd/

Following a comprehensive investigation, today the Justice Department announced its findings that the Albuquerque Police Department (APD) has engaged in a pattern or practice of excessive force that violates the Constitution and federal law.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/A...4-crt-364.html

APD officers too frequently use deadly force against people who pose a minimal threat and in situations where the conduct of the officers heightens the danger and contributes to the need to use force

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: ALBUQUERQUE POLICE USE OF FORCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
http://krqe.com/2014/04/10/justice-d...ndings-on-apd/



http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/A...4-crt-364.html

You mean police kill squads aren't legal?

[planetdoc]

3 Police Oversight Commission members quit

Just days after the U.S. Department of Justice announced the results of an investigation into the Albuquerque Police Department, three members of the Police Oversight Commission are quitting.

In their resignation letters to Mayor Richard Berry, Richard Shine, Jennifer Barela and Jonathan Siegel said they’re resigning because the civilian commission has no teeth.

“The city attorney’s office addressed the POC on April 10, 2014, and stated that we have no power to decide against the APD Chief or against the independent review officer’s findings regarding citizens’ complaints,” reads Siegel’s letter. “I cannot continue to pretend or deceive the members of our community into believing that our city has any real civilian oversight.”

[Jimmya]

Not looking good for the APD.