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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain Ė Senator John McCain of Arizona Ė in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain Ė additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBIís response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trumpís behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-11-2017, 02:49 PM   #46
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How so?
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-pow-cover-up/

Its a long read, don't pay attention to the websight as its not relevant, its just a reprint of Sydney Shanberg's original story about McCain.

McCain is worse than a piece of shit.
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:10 PM   #47
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http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-pow-cover-up/

Its a long read, don't pay attention to the websight as its not relevant, its just a reprint of Sydney Shanberg's original story about McCain.

McCain is worse than a piece of shit.
I don't have time to read all of this right now... but from what I read, I can't help to question why, if there was any credibility to these allegations, the media would sit on this story for 8 years and counting and the first I'm hearing about it is on Chiefsplanet?

Please know that I do not refute or affirm the article... it just strikes me as incredibly strange that the media would work a cover-up to protect John McCain.
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:22 PM   #48
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I don't have time to read all of this right now... but from what I read, I can't help to question why, if there was any credibility to these allegations, the media would sit on this story for 8 years and counting and the first I'm hearing about it is on Chiefsplanet?

Please know that I do not refute or affirm the article... it just strikes me as incredibly strange that the media would work a cover-up to protect John McCain.
You will have to read it, there is a lot that goes into it, its not just about McCain, but McCain turned his back on POW's.

There is plenty of evidence here to support it.

You ever wonder why when he was running for POTUS there were veterans groups that were AGAINST MCCain? This is why.

This isn't new stuff really. Just keep in mind the internet isn't that old and the vast majority of this stuff occurred a long time ago.

Shanberg is a Pulitzer prize winning war journalist. Not some schmuck internet writer.

Edit: I would also mention much of this story when I first read it and researched into it further really really infuriated me and pisses me off to this day. The issue goes back to Carter and Reagan even.

Mind blowing shit but if you believe this story, and I truly do, that when the movie "Rambo" was made, there were likely real POW's still in Vietnam.
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You will have to read it, there is a lot that goes into it, its not just about McCain, but McCain turned his back on POW's.

There is plenty of evidence here to support it.

You ever wonder why when he was running for POTUS there were veterans groups that were AGAINST MCCain? This is why.

This isn't new stuff really. Just keep in mind the internet isn't that old and the vast majority of this stuff occurred a long time ago.

Shanberg is a Pulitzer prize winning war journalist. Not some schmuck internet writer.
Yep... I hear you on all of this... but this article from a Pulitzer prize winner was written 6 years ago! I still can't imagine why it's the first I'm hearing about it - being at least somewhat plugged into the news of the day. You'd have thought that at some point, something as scandalous as this would have gotten legs - and someone with my level of political interest would have heard of it before now.
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WTF are you talking about? Castro was a dictator who did no favors for the Cuban people and lived waaaaay too long. While his significance as a thorn in America's sign was overrated, it's because people overrated the damage an idiot in charge of a tiny banana republic could do to the USA.

I don't have a high opinion of Castro, never did and never will. His brand of Communism died 30-odd years ago, and it's unfortunate he didn't die that long ago as well.

So get Putin's testicles out of your mouth and stand up for god's sake. Your knees are chafing.
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errr...why? He got some seemingly damaging information about a Presidential candidate and passed it to the FBI for further action, or not. He didn't disclose it to anyone, didn't Deep Throat the information to any reporters, or anything.

What did he do that was so, err, schmucky?
6 Hours later and still no answer. Maybe when petegz28 comes around, he'll have an answer.
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errr...why? He got some seemingly damaging information about a Presidential candidate and passed it to the FBI for further action, or not. He didn't disclose it to anyone, didn't Deep Throat the information to any reporters, or anything.

What did he do that was so, err, schmucky?
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Ok. But what does this have to do with what he did here? Did he do anything wrong HERE? If so, what?
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He may be a smiling backstabber in many contexts, but here he apparently got handed a file with 35 pages of allegations of improprieties. Was he supposed to shred it? What if some or many of the things in there were true and might give Russia or some other foreign power over the President-elect. Does it make sense to just shred it or would that not be in the best interests of the country?

Put aside your Republican/Democrat/Trump/not-Trump hat for a second. Someone hands this stuff to you as a sitting United States Senator. What are you supposed to do with it?
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Were any of the people who defend anything and everything about Trump any of the same people who repeatedly cried that Obama had created a Cult of Personality where he could do no wrong?

Inquiring minds want to know.
McCain gets a packet of serious allegations against a Presidential candidate, and that cock sucker had the audacity to turn it over to the FBI. He should have made sure he completely destroyed the documents, and he should never, never, ever mention it to anybody. /Trumpbots

Your questions are completely reasonable. How odd that they are being ignored by Trump's ball washers.

I find I am spending less and less time in the DC forum these days. Frankly, it's just not that interesting watching the continuous Trumpbot circle jerk that's been going on around here.
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McCain needs to think about committing suicide now, as a former of honor. Sepouku if you will. He hasn't been the same since he got tossed into that Hanoi Hilton and is just causing problems for other people. Needs to think about his legacy, perhaps with a nickel plated pistol pressed under his chin
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Your views as always are bizarre. THis election was pretty much lose/lose. She Who Sucks, or He Who Sucks. I preferred her to him, but barely. Any sane Republican would've gotten my vote, as Romney did in '12.

Putin is about a billion times the threat to the USA and it's worldwide interests that Castro ever was. We've already seen this in the Ukraine, in Syria, etc. Castro was overrated because he was the despotic prince of a puny island, albeit close to the US. Putin is the aggressive, ruthless, despotic ruler of a massive country with nuclear weapons, a large military and a view to restoring Russia to international powerhouse status.
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I find I am spending less and less time in the DC forum these days. Frankly, it's just not that interesting watching the continuous Trumpbot circle jerk that's been going on around here.
It has been a welcome development.
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6 Hours later and still no answer. Maybe when petegz28 comes around, he'll have an answer.
Agreed. Separate from what the article above claims, I'm not sure what McCain was supposed to do with the information, false info or otherwise, other than turn it over to the appropriate personnel. It wasn't McCain's job to substantiate the claim. And he certainly didn't publish it. What else was he supposed to do with it?
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Yep... I hear you on all of this... but this article from a Pulitzer prize winner was written 6 years ago! I still can't imagine why it's the first I'm hearing about it - being at least somewhat plugged into the news of the day. You'd have thought that at some point, something as scandalous as this would have gotten legs - and someone with my level of political interest would have heard of it before now.
Later in the piece he talks about how he has always been befuddled by media's disinterest in this whole story and its partly what drove him. He has written 32 columns on the subject over the years.

My belief is simply this - Nobody wants to step into the mess because its just going to get treated like bullshit and you are fighting a rather large entity. Our entire Govt basically.

Imagine the blow back if this became acknowledged and admitted. The US govt knowing left POW's in Vietnam and denied their existence (lied) about it over and over and over.

Who knows it may come out eventually but not until everyone involved in the cover up are gone. (see John McCain)
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Agreed. Separate from what the article above claims, I'm not sure what McCain was supposed to do with the information, false info or otherwise, other than turn it over to the appropriate personnel. It wasn't McCain's job to substantiate the claim. And he certainly didn't publish it. What else was he supposed to do with it?
Edit: misread your intent.

McCain did this because he is a prick who hates trump.
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It has been a welcome development.
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