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Old 01-11-2017, 09:23 AM  
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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain – Senator John McCain of Arizona – in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain – additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trump’s behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-11-2017, 03:45 PM   #61
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Later in the piece he talks about how he has always been befuddled by media's disinterest in this whole story and its partly what drove him. He has written 32 columns on the subject over the years.

My belief is simply this - Nobody wants to step into the mess because its just going to get treated like bullshit and you are fighting a rather large entity. Our entire Govt basically.

Imagine the blow back if this became acknowledged and admitted. The US govt knowing left POW's in Vietnam and denied their existence (lied) about it over and over and over.

Who knows it may come out eventually but not until everyone involved in the cover up are gone. (see John McCain)
Maybe... but in my experience, the bigger the scandal - the more damaging to he United States - the better (in the eyes of the media).
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:47 PM   #62
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Edit: misread your intent.

McCain did this because he is a prick who hates trump.
It is certainly true that he hates Trump... and he may have passed the information on happily hoping that it would come back to bite Trump in the ass... but the question still stands, what else should he have done with it. Even if he loved Trump, what should he have done with it?
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Maybe... but in my experience, the bigger the scandal - the more damaging to he United States - the better (in the eyes of the media).
Read it all when you get time, do some side research on the people and sources if you have time, and PM me your thoughts. Its all pretty rock solid.

The resignation of the head of the POW/MIA Committee in 1992 is pretty damn interesting. His resignation letter is linked into the story.
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:48 PM   #64
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Read it all when you get time, do some side research on the people and sources if you have time, and PM me your thoughts. Its all pretty rock solid.

The resignation of the head of the POW/MIA Committee in 1992 is pretty damn interesting. His resignation letter is linked into the story.
I'll try... 4 kids - not as much time for "side research" as I'd like. That's why I look to Chiefs Planet for my news!

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Old 01-11-2017, 03:56 PM   #65
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It is certainly true that he hates Trump... and he may have passed the information on happily hoping that it would come back to bite Trump in the ass... but the question still stands, what else should he have done with it. Even if he loved Trump, what should he have done with it?
If its true this was already given to the FBI months earlier, then: nothing
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If its true this was already given to the FBI months earlier, then: nothing
How would he know what or wasn't given to the FBI months earlier? Does the FBI run everything they receive through McCain?
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'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'


Yes, truly egregious behavior.
CP has received 'reports' that a certain unpopular blowhard poster here is fond of underage girls. Upon examining and unable to judge their accuracy, should our reaction be to take these 'allegations' to the FBI?
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:49 PM   #68
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McCain gets a packet of serious allegations against a Presidential candidate, and that cock sucker had the audacity to turn it over to the FBI. He should have made sure he completely destroyed the documents, and he should never, never, ever mention it to anybody. /Trumpbots

Your questions are completely reasonable. How odd that they are being ignored by Trump's ball washers.

I find I am spending less and less time in the DC forum these days. Frankly, it's just not that interesting watching the continuous Trumpbot circle jerk that's been going on around here.

Yeah, I used to be waaaay more active int his forum years ago. But back then we had far more intelligent discussions. Now there's far more vitriol and far less intelligence, with a few notable exceptions.
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McCain lost his election bid—for good reasons. He would have been a continuation of the NeoCon's endless wars of global conquest against a candidate that posed as a "peace" candidate but wound up not being one, except on Iran.
What does it say that we got that anyway.
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CP has received 'reports' that a certain unpopular blowhard poster here is fond of underage girls. Upon examining and unable to judge their accuracy, should our reaction be to take these 'allegations' to the FBI?
Again... I don't know much about this story, but it appeared that the information came from some MI6 ambassador to so and so... and so on. So it wasn't just some unknown sent him some smut info on Trump. I do however take your meaning. I am giving McCain the benefit of the doubt (maybe wrongly) that the source of the material was at least reputable enough to warrant him handing it to the FBI to do with what was appropriate.

If he was just out to get Trump, the far easier thing to do would have just been to hand it over to the press as an anonymous source.

Again, I don't know much about this, but from what I've heard so far, I'm not in the crucify McCain camp yet.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:43 PM   #72
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I don't have a problem with McCain turning it over to the FBI. Why would anyone have a problem with that? What I have a problem with is that this is been released to the public and it's not even f****** remotely true. It undermines the legitimacy of our federal government and its bullshit. These children would rather see this country in ashes rather then ****ing work with a thimble's amount of Honor.
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I find I am spending less and less time in the DC forum these days. Frankly, it's just not that interesting watching the continuous Trumpbot circle jerk that's been going on around here.
The problem is that hardly anyone is here for a reasonable discussion of the issues. Anyone who doesn't blindly follow Trump, even simple questions, is shouted down. Any news that they don't like or haven't heard from Breitbart or Drudge or Fox is immediately labeled "fake news" without any actual investigation.
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I find I am spending less and less time in the DC forum these days
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People just need to imagine the furry Obama-bots would have had if Hillary leaked a dosier concerning President Obama being a foreign born, gay prostitute, and card carrying communist. They would have crucified Hillary Clinton in 2008. None of this bull shit is true.
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