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Old 01-11-2017, 09:23 AM  
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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain – Senator John McCain of Arizona – in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain – additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trump’s behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-11-2017, 06:53 PM   #106
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It has been a welcome development.
It's nice having one less NeverTrump or Trump Hater around isn't it? Tho' many have taken his place.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:59 PM   #107
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I can't explain how the DNC was hacked. What does that have to do with whether or not the Russians interfered in our election?
OK then explain how in the hell Russia "interfered in our election"? The Chinese have hacked the US 9 million times and laid waste yet there's been hardly a complaint.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:09 PM   #108
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OK then explain how in the hell Russia "interfered in our election"? The Chinese have hacked the US 9 million times and laid waste yet there's been hardly a complaint.
I'm relying on an overwhelming consensus from the US Intelligence committee and those who have been briefed, including Donald Trump. Explain to me how anyone can still cling to the idea that the Russians didn't steal information from democrats and release it through wikileaks in order to influence our election?
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:29 PM   #109
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I'm relying on an overwhelming consensus from the US Intelligence committee and those who have been briefed, including Donald Trump. Explain to me how anyone can still cling to the idea that the Russians didn't steal information from democrats and release it through wikileaks in order to influence our election?
Shame on us (the US and the DNC specifically) for being so susceptible to attack in this area. Hopefully we'll finally do something about it now that it's stung someone other than the average Joe taxpayer. At least however, they didn't alter the information... so that was nice of them.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:42 PM   #110
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Shame on us (the US and the DNC specifically) for being so susceptible to attack in this area. Hopefully we'll finally do something about it now that it's stung someone other than the average Joe taxpayer. At least however, they didn't alter the information... so that was nice of them.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:48 PM   #111
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In all of this mess, the single most important fact is continually overlooked... every bit of this fiasco belongs at the feet of Hillary Clinton, her cronies, and the DNC

Without their absolute ignorance and/or cavalier attitude toward security, it never would've gotten as far as it did
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:49 PM   #112
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In all of this mess, the single most important fact is continually overlooked... every bit of this fiasco belongs at the feet of Hillary Clinton, her cronies, and the DNC

Without their absolute ignorance and/or cavalier attitude toward security, it never would've gotten as far as it did
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether that's the single most important fact.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:52 PM   #113
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether that's the single most important fact.
Are you aiming at the distinction that this particular imbroglio is regarding Trump?
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Are you aiming at the distinction that this particular imbroglio is regarding Trump?
No. I think the important fact here has something to do with the Russian cyber attack and information offensive. It doesn't matter who the candidates were.
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No. I think the important fact here has something to do with the Russian cyber attack and information offensive. It doesn't matter who the candidates were.
Other than the wet blanket it threw on Clinton, I dont like it any more than you do

But every nation with the means to do it hacks, or attempts, to hack us on a daily basis... Clinton and company made the hackers job exceedingly easy, and thats the most important fact
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:30 PM   #116
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But you don't actually listen. The other thread (hospital bombing) is a prime example.
You didn't say anything. I'm listening, but all you said is "you're wrong do research," which isn't how one has an open and honest dialogue. You presented no evidence and made no counter claim. The fact that you think this is how one has a real discussion speaks volumes about the state of your open-mindedness. You posted a slightly more advanced version of "Nu-uh!" This is in addition to your inclination to play semantics games instead of taking about the issue at hand. I've already put many people on my ignore list, but I'm hoping not to have to add you to it, because I think you're intelligent and able to actually have a conversation about these topics. You've just so far been unwilling to do so with me.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:32 PM   #117
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Other than the wet blanket it threw on Clinton, I dont like it any more than you do

But every nation with the means to do it hacks, or attempts, to hack us on a daily basis... Clinton and company made the hackers job exceedingly easy, and thats the most important fact
Are you a slow learner?


Patty loves conflict, esp war. Everything is a crisis to him. Why are you trying to continually explain nuance to him? It's like telling a roided-out MMA fighter to consider compromise. It's not possible.
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And thereby validating every bit of mockery and hatred I've ever posted about the imbecile.


I said 2 years ago he needed to be put in a straightjacket and taken to a mental institution. Did I nail that or what?
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Patty loves conflict, esp war. Everything is a crisis to him. Why are you trying to continually explain nuance to him? It's like telling a roided-out MMA fighter to consider compromise. It's not possible.
I agree with you on this PB, you will go round and round in circles with patteeu its like he knows how to work people. Don't fall for it you're just wasting your time completely.
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Other than the wet blanket it threw on Clinton, I dont like it any more than you do

But every nation with the means to do it hacks, or attempts, to hack us on a daily basis... Clinton and company made the hackers job exceedingly easy, and thats the most important fact
Easy 6 leave pat alone you're arguing against a stone wall, speaking of stone I noticed Donger's been acting stoned like since he's come back. He's weirded out on us more then he normally does.
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