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KC4EVER · 06-21-2007, 03:55 PM

NFL I BUCCANEERS

Ex-Chief battles bad rap
Defensive tackle Ryan Sims is grateful for fresh start with Tampa Bay

By TOM BALOG

tom.balog@heraldtribune.com

TAMPA -- Ryan Sims should have become the Warren Sapp of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Instead, he has wound up as a larger, younger, version of Anthony McFarland with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- a retread defensive tackle battling a history of injury and lethargy.

The former No.6 overall pick of the 2002 NFL draft is fighting for a roster spot with the Buccaneers.

For now, the most mammoth presence among the Buccaneers' nine defensive tackles in mini-camp at 6-foot-4, 315 pounds, Sims is welcomed with open arms.

"Ryan Sims is working hard, a big fellow in the middle who's going to help us on our run (defense)," Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin said. "I think you have to give people a second opportunity. It didn't work out in Kansas City for whatever reason. It didn't work out for Chris Hovan (in Minnesota). It didn't work out for (Greg) Spires (in Cleveland and New England). It didn't work out for Simeon Rice (in Arizona)."

Sims did little more in five seasons with the Chiefs than give the team reason to jump at the chance to unload him.

The Bucs sent an undisclosed draft pick to Kansas City to acquire Sims on May 1.

Tuesday, Sims blasted Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards, the former Bucs defensive backs coach, for creating what Sims perceives as a negative environment in Edwards' first year in Kansas City in 2006.

"Some coaches just believe the more negative you are ... You don't have a team of 28 guys trying to get traded for nothing," Sims said. "Every starter there is trying to get out of there. ... Look at it. Ask (quarterback) Trent Green (traded to the Miami Dolphins) about it.

"You can just look at the numbers, look at the morale, you tell me.

"We had the 32nd (ranked) defense when I got there, it was 32nd for years. Obviously I'm not the only person out there.

"I'm here. These coaches are great. It's totally different. Very positive here. It's time for a new lease, time to play."

The Bucs are betting little that Sims can shed the two raps against him -- that he became a first-round prospect at North Carolina only because he played alongside Julius Peppers. And second, that he became complacent after he was given a reported $9.75 million signing bonus by the Chiefs.

Tampa Bay, which reportedly restructured Sims' contract, wants to see the 2003 Ryan Sims, who posted 83 tackles and three sacks in 16 starts at nose tackle. Or the 2004 Ryan Sims who made 30 tackles and two sacks in 13 starts for Kansas City.

Or the 2001 Ryan Sims who posted five sacks and 51 tackles as a senior for the Tar Heels.

Sims is better known for being inactive for 10 games in 2005 with a sprained right foot and playing only six games his rookie year before a dislocated elbow sent him to the injured reserve list.

"He's got to be Ryan Sims, OK? He's got to be the guy he was at North Carolina and at times in Kansas City," said Bucs head coach Jon Gruden. "He's had some injuries. For whatever reason, he hasn't produced to the standards I think people expected. But he's got another opportunity now."

Early indications are that Sims is taking advantage of this new lease on life in the NFL.

"He's a big strong, powerful guy, highly motivated right now," said Bucs defensive line coach Larry Coyer. "Sometimes you get a new opportunity in life, that happens.

"He's a different kind of defensive lineman, him and (Kevin) Carter both (6-foot-6, 305) than we've played with here. Big, powerful men, hard to move. It's been really impressive out here. We'll see when the (training) camp comes, but he's really stepped up, though."

"They love defense here, period. They've got a history of defense. They love defensive lineman," Sims said. "This is a big opportunity. My goal is to start. I didn't come here to be a backup. I don't think anybody came here to be a backup. That's what I'm doing every day, trying to be a starter."

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Braincase · 06-21-2007, 05:10 PM

Is Tampa giving Dan Williams a tryout, too?

BigRock · 06-21-2007, 05:16 PM

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Sims blasted Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards, the former Bucs defensive backs coach, for creating what Sims perceives as a negative environment in Edwards' first year in Kansas City in 2006.

Translation: Krumie made his fat ass break down and cry.

88TG88 · 06-21-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

Have I mentioned I have an autographed Ryan Simms football for sale or trade? I'm hungry, first person to bring me a bag of chips can have it.

You could give it to the dog in ur avy as a chew toy.

dilligaf · 06-21-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

It should be burned in ritual ceremony at a Chiefs fan tailgate.

I'll bring my Sims jersey and throw that on the fire as well.

Red Dawg · 06-21-2007, 05:42 PM

DIRT BAG POS! He did shit for us and will do nothing for the Bucs but get shoved around. Worst number 6 pick ever!

**The Bad Guy** · 06-21-2007, 05:45 PM

Sims is a ****ing maggot. You were picked 6th in the draft to help fix a defense. You failed, so you use the scapegoat that "I obvioulsy wasn't the only guy."

You were worthless. The only pocket you could collapse was a hot pocket in your freezer.

**morphius** · 06-21-2007, 05:53 PM

While it wouldn't be hard to see that a bunch of the O people have not been excited about it since Herm came on, but since Law came there to be with Edwards, and Allen is showing up to practices because he likes his team mates and Edwards, well, someone is being a whiny bitch...

htismaqe · 06-21-2007, 05:53 PM

1) There aren't 28 Vermeil guys left on the team, so that number is inflated.

2) Tampa Bay loves defense, they have a history of it. So did Kansas City, prior to your arrival, Ryan.

Otter · 06-21-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Ryan played for Edwards one season. What's his excuse for the rest of his life?

That's a very good point.

Another good point is the Chiefs have gone through a lot of defensive lineman since 2000 that never panned out.

Khai Long
Junior Siavii
James Wilkerson
Montique Sharpe
Ryan Sims
Eddie Freeman
Eric Downing
Terdell Sands

Where the truth lies I have no idea. That's a pretty high failure rate however.

htismaqe · 06-21-2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

That's a very good point.

Another good point is the Chiefs have gone through a lot of defensive lineman since 2000 that never panned out.

Khai Long
Junior Siavii
James Wilkerson
Montique Sharpe
Ryan Sims
Eddie Freeman
Eric Downing
Terdell Sands

Where the truth lies I have no idea. That's a pretty high failure rate however.

I think it shows that the Chiefs from 2001 to 2005 weren't very good at evaluating defensive linemen, neither talent nor character.

Otter · 06-21-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think it shows that the Chiefs from 2001 to 2005 weren't very good at evaluating defensive linemen, neither talent nor character.

Let's hope Herm's a hell of a DL evaluator because the rest of the flapjacks are still there.

Frazod · 06-21-2007, 06:29 PM

Go die in fire, Sims, you useless piece of shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-21-2007, 06:30 PM

How can you say Wilkerson hasn't panned out? He was a sixth round pick who is one of the more important guys in our D-Line rotation.

Logical · 06-21-2007, 06:32 PM

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Tampa Bay, which reportedly restructured Sims' contract, wants to see the 2003 Ryan Sims, who posted 83 tackles and three sacks in 16 starts at nose tackle.

Did I blackout and completely miss this year for Ryan Sims? WTF

Eleazar · 06-21-2007, 06:42 PM

He might be effective in a place where he doesn't have to be the man, where all the other guys on the line are genuinely good players. And if he can stay healthy, and if he can get out of his own way.

But still. We wasted a first round pick and quite a few bucks on you, and you were a bust. Just

and quit making excuses.

06-21-2007, 03:55 PM
KC4EVER It's Been Too Long! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	28 Vets want out of KC??Sims Bashes KC/Herm NFL I BUCCANEERS Ex-Chief battles bad rap Defensive tackle Ryan Sims is grateful for fresh start with Tampa Bay By TOM BALOG tom.balog@heraldtribune.com TAMPA -- Ryan Sims should have become the Warren Sapp of the Kansas City Chiefs. Instead, he has wound up as a larger, younger, version of Anthony McFarland with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- a retread defensive tackle battling a history of injury and lethargy. The former No.6 overall pick of the 2002 NFL draft is fighting for a roster spot with the Buccaneers. For now, the most mammoth presence among the Buccaneers' nine defensive tackles in mini-camp at 6-foot-4, 315 pounds, Sims is welcomed with open arms. "Ryan Sims is working hard, a big fellow in the middle who's going to help us on our run (defense)," Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin said. "I think you have to give people a second opportunity. It didn't work out in Kansas City for whatever reason. It didn't work out for Chris Hovan (in Minnesota). It didn't work out for (Greg) Spires (in Cleveland and New England). It didn't work out for Simeon Rice (in Arizona)." Sims did little more in five seasons with the Chiefs than give the team reason to jump at the chance to unload him. The Bucs sent an undisclosed draft pick to Kansas City to acquire Sims on May 1. Tuesday, Sims blasted Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards, the former Bucs defensive backs coach, for creating what Sims perceives as a negative environment in Edwards' first year in Kansas City in 2006. "Some coaches just believe the more negative you are ... You don't have a team of 28 guys trying to get traded for nothing," Sims said. "Every starter there is trying to get out of there. ... Look at it. Ask (quarterback) Trent Green (traded to the Miami Dolphins) about it. "You can just look at the numbers, look at the morale, you tell me. "We had the 32nd (ranked) defense when I got there, it was 32nd for years. Obviously I'm not the only person out there. "I'm here. These coaches are great. It's totally different. Very positive here. It's time for a new lease, time to play." The Bucs are betting little that Sims can shed the two raps against him -- that he became a first-round prospect at North Carolina only because he played alongside Julius Peppers. And second, that he became complacent after he was given a reported $9.75 million signing bonus by the Chiefs. Tampa Bay, which reportedly restructured Sims' contract, wants to see the 2003 Ryan Sims, who posted 83 tackles and three sacks in 16 starts at nose tackle. Or the 2004 Ryan Sims who made 30 tackles and two sacks in 13 starts for Kansas City. Or the 2001 Ryan Sims who posted five sacks and 51 tackles as a senior for the Tar Heels. Sims is better known for being inactive for 10 games in 2005 with a sprained right foot and playing only six games his rookie year before a dislocated elbow sent him to the injured reserve list. "He's got to be Ryan Sims, OK? He's got to be the guy he was at North Carolina and at times in Kansas City," said Bucs head coach Jon Gruden. "He's had some injuries. For whatever reason, he hasn't produced to the standards I think people expected. But he's got another opportunity now." Early indications are that Sims is taking advantage of this new lease on life in the NFL. "He's a big strong, powerful guy, highly motivated right now," said Bucs defensive line coach Larry Coyer. "Sometimes you get a new opportunity in life, that happens. "He's a different kind of defensive lineman, him and (Kevin) Carter both (6-foot-6, 305) than we've played with here. Big, powerful men, hard to move. It's been really impressive out here. We'll see when the (training) camp comes, but he's really stepped up, though." "They love defense here, period. They've got a history of defense. They love defensive lineman," Sims said. "This is a big opportunity. My goal is to start. I didn't come here to be a backup. I don't think anybody came here to be a backup. That's what I'm doing every day, trying to be a starter." http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...10801/-1/RSS06
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