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Old 09-10-2007, 08:40 PM  
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The OFFICIAL Brian Brohm to KC thread

I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length.

I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own.

All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick.

It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups:

Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer.

That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad.


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Old 09-10-2007, 09:02 PM   #46
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Brohm isn't in their friggin' league. That's what you're not grasping.
And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:03 PM   #47
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So, assuming Brohm goes early, who will fall to 31? Woodson? Brennan? Should we trade up? Down? To get who? What QB will worth taking late in the first/early in the second?
Just give that up, that shit's ****in stupid this team sucks, they aren't making the playoffs if you want a realistic best case scenario say 17.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:04 PM   #48
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And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.

What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:05 PM   #49
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Just give that up, that shit's ****in stupid this team sucks, they aren't making the playoffs if you want a realistic best case scenario say 17.
The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:06 PM   #50
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The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.

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Old 09-10-2007, 09:06 PM   #51
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Brohm is very much in that league. Argue all you want about the level of play he goes against, but he has all the skills. The scouts and people that study football all say it.
Brohm's best trait is that he doesn't turn the ball over much. He's smart with the ball. He doesn't have Manning or Palmer's physical gifts, he just has their intelligence. He's not a terrible prospect, but he's definitely not an elite one and not a can't miss quarterback.

And yes, the defenses he faces week in and week out are very important. He plays in a weak conference and generally against a weak non-conference schedule. Manning and Palmer played in two very good conferences and were better even despite that.

And he crapped the bed in that Rutgers game last year.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:06 PM   #52
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NFL teams think QB is 5x more valuable than LT

This is something I posted a few months ago. It pertains here and I don't think many people saw it, so it is worth repeating.

I have calculated how the NFL values these positions based on draft order (see details below):


HB: 15.5%
FB: 0.3%
QB: 14.2%
WR: 4.8%
WR: 4.8%
TE: 5.4%
LT: 3.3%
LG: 1.1%
C: 1.7%
RG: 1.1%
RT: 3.3%
K: 0.4%
P: 0.1%
KR/PR (one guy): 0%*
FS: 6.9%
SS: 4.6%
LCB: 4.2%
RCB: 4.2%
SOLB: 3.7%
WOLB: 3.7%
MLB: 5.3%
LDE: 3.5%
RDE: 3.5%
DT: 2.2%
NT/DT: 2.2%

The first surprise is RB>QB this is a little misleading. RB burn up faster than QB so you have to draft them more often. The above numbers should be adjusted for average career length of a starter at the position.

The second surprise is Safties > CB. That just shocks me, but probably should not when you consider the number of teams using a cover 2 and how the rules have castrated CB play.

Thrid surprise is MLB/ILB > OLB. Sure the MLB is the most important spot in the 4-3, but a lot of your play makers and pass rushers come from the OLB spot.

Fourth surprise is TE > WR. I think TE are being over-valued in the NFL right now due to the TG and Gates effect.

Methology in next post.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:06 PM   #53
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What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy
It's the offense he plays in basically because it's spread so he puts up a ton of stats and such. Everyone ripped the shit out of Alex Smith for the same reason.

Some people think if you play in a spread offense you are automatically Tim Couch and will never be any good.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:07 PM   #54
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well, buddy I am too so get off your high horse n00b
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Methodology (only for the geeks):

I compiled a list of the players drafted in the first three rounds over the last 3 years. I chose the first 3 rounds because teams are looking for eventual starters in those rounds. Latter rounds are for backups and special team players. I used the last 3 years to get enough data to even out draft-class variations, while being recent enough to capture current trends.

I then assigned a value to each player based on the NFL Draft value chart. This goes from 3000 points in the first round down to 116 points for the end of the 3rd round. I then totaled the number of draft value points for each position over the 3 year period. I then made some additional adjutments based on the fact that you field 1 QB but 2 guards, etc. I also made the following groupings:

MLB = MLB + ILB
DT = DT + NT

There was no way to separate Left/Right Tackle, Guard, DT, DE, OLB, or CB.

The numbers are a little skewed since the above positional alignments are based on standard proset offense and 4-3 defense. Many times an offense lines up with 2 RB or 2 TE or 3 WR instead of a FB. Also there are 3-4 defenses and nickle packages. These would slightly change the value assignments.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:07 PM   #56
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And that is nothing more than a matter of opinion...for all we know he could be a great player. There were people that thought Carson Palmer wouldn't be any good because he was to reserved and not a real leader.
Those are intangibles. We're talking about talent. Brohm isn't Manning or Palmer in terms of talent.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:08 PM   #57
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The lowest pick we're gonna get is 25. I'm telling you.
Well I can safely say that you are a complete reerun, congratulations for achieving this.
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Nah he's making the point that if you have no QB having an all world LT isn't gonna matter.

All the teams that win now and are great teams have players at QB. You don't contend for championships with scrub QB's anymore.
How about we trade a 4th to the Buccaneer's for the rights to Plummer?
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Those are intangibles. We're talking about talent. Brohm isn't Manning or Palmer in terms of talent.
Ok Alex Smith, people will say the exact same shit about Brohm they said about him...
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:09 PM   #60
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What does Brohm have to do on the field to prove it. . . he has the brain, the leadership skills, the arm, and especially the accuracy
But does he have a hot southern wife?
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