TJ's take on our defense from the donks site

**BigRedChief** · 09-16-2004, 06:11 AM

TJ said:
Your defense sucks because Carl Peterson is a piss poor General Manager.

Why do you guys suck? You can answer that by trying to find out the answers to these questions:

Why did you resign Bartee this year? Why did you resign Warfield last year? Why didn't you fire Greg Robinson last year? Why did you draft a runningback last year when you knew you needed defense? If Priest went down, there's nothing LJ could have done to replace him. Why do you still have $5-7 million under the salary cap right now?

It's partly the Chiefs fan's fault too... Why would you all accept such a blatant public relations move (re-signing Gunther) and be convinced that he's all you need to get over the hump? I remember when Carl was talking about bringing Romanowski in. Some fans were up in arms actually writing letters and signing petitions demanding that the Chiefs not sign Romo. I doubt one of those people wrote a single letter demanding that the Chiefs get serious about a playoff run and not just accept PR ploys and call them "improvements."

You can never have enough bash carl threads on the planet......

As much as it pains me to admit it...he's mostly right. Our problem is not DV. It's personnel and the blame for that lays squarely at King Carl's doorstep. Can I get some Dammit Carl's

KCTitus · 09-16-2004, 06:17 AM

I like the part about it being the 'fans fault'...that is PURE comedy gold and probably the most reeruned thing Ive ever read from Teej, and that's saying someting.

That's almost Packfan-bad...

**Baby Lee** · 09-16-2004, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Our problem is not DV. It's personnel

Oxymoronic.
DV is a big proponent of letting players grow within the system, and our standing pat on D, and passing on certain players, and resigning most all of our FAs, is ALL on HIM.

**BigRedChief** · 09-16-2004, 06:24 AM

More jokes at the Chiefs defense expense

A joke article from The Brushback.
http://www.thebrushback.com/chiefsD_full.htm
Chiefs To Use Power Of Positive Thinking To Repair Defense
KANSAS CITY, MO--The Kansas City Chiefs today announced a new strategy for repairing their struggling defense: the power of positive thinking. The defense, which was ranked last in the league a year ago, remains virtually unchanged. Instead of drafting young defenders and signing free agents, the team left the roster alone. Now that it’s too late to make any significant player upgrades, the Chiefs will simply hope with all their hearts that the defense improves.
“I think this is the perfect solution to our problem,” said GM Carl Peterson. “We’re not gonna sit on our hands and be passive here. The defense is broken and needs to be fixed. And we’re just gonna concentrate, visualize ourselves playing better, and hope that it does the trick. If the guys feel better about themselves, they’ll play better. You just watch. This is going to change everything.”
Peterson does not believe the team’s problems are personnel related. Though he did hire a new defensive coordinator in Gunther Cunningham, he was widely criticized for failing to upgrade his roster. Peterson believed that if the defense came into this season with a new attitude and fresh outlook, they would magically transform into a top-notch unit. So far he’s been wrong, as the Chiefs defense looked like its old ineffective self in Sunday night’s season opener against the Broncos.
“That was a tough game, but we’re going to put it behind us,” Peterson. “We’re going to do much, much better next week. You know why? Because I’m hoping for the best, that’s why.”
The team is following Peterson’s lead. Every player is really hoping that things turn out better for the defense. They’re hoping that interceptions suddenly fall into their hands and running backs fall down at their feet. They’re also hoping that they can somehow get some pressure on the quarterback, even though they have no dominant pass rusher.
“I hope all these things happen. I really do,” said linebacker http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12201" target="_blank">http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12201" target="_blank">Shawn Barber. “We are not a very talented bunch, so we’re going to just hope things turn out well for us. We’re all thrilled to be here and very excited and we feel that enthusiasm is going to carry over into next week. Actually, we know the enthusiasm is going to carry over to next week. We just hope that enthusiasm is enough to help us win because we certainly don’t have any talent.”
According to some coaches, the positive thinking and enthusiasm have already started to affect the team’s practices.
“Wow, guys are really excited right now,” said Gunther Cunningham. “You can see it in their eyes, in the way they carry themselves—there’s really a spring in their step. Guys are high fiving each other, laughing, smiling, and thinking extremely happy thoughts. They still can’t play defense though. It took three guys to take down a tackling dummy yesterday.”
The coaches are not panicking, however. They’re still convinced that the team’s new positive mind set will solve all of their problems.
“We’ll get better. We’ll get better. We’ll get better” said Vernon Dean, defensive backs coach. “I keep repeating that to myself. Eventually it’s going to come true. See, some teams go the conventional route, and actually replace those bad players with better players. But our front office likes to think outside the box. They really like to think outside the box. In fact Carl wanted to waive a few of our defensive players and their backups in the offseason. He was actually willing to put ten men on the field. Then we really would’ve had to think positive. At that point, I would've had to come to practice drunk.”
The power of positive thinking is pretty uncommon in the football world. Most NFL coaches s are surly and mean spirited, and use fear and discipline to get the most out of their players. That’s another reason why the Chiefs approach is a breath of fresh air.
“The negative approach is very popular among NFL coaches,” said head coach Dick Vermeil. “And I can understand the merits of self criticism and tough love, but I don’t think that’s really going to help us. You do need some semblance of talent in order for that to work. So we’re just going to do the same things we did last year with the same people and hope this time around it magically works out. Isn’t that a great strategy? It certainly is refreshing to see so many happy faces focused on staying upbeat. But honestly, I’d trade all this positive thinking for one damn stop on third down.”
With this roster, he may not get his wish. The defense has looked awful since training camp and there is nothing to indicate that they will improve. If the team finishes the year last in defense again, Peterson has vowed to take action.
“Next offseason will be a little different than this one if our defensive unit is still struggling,” said Peterson. “As a GM, you’ve got to take action. I may consider hiring a motivational speaker to get team pumped up before every game. I may even consider giving them some ecstasy on Sundays. That stuff always makes you think positive. Come to think of it, maybe we should give some to the fans, too.

**BigRedChief** · 09-16-2004, 06:56 AM

more defense bashing from fox sports:
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3013202

MichaelH · 09-16-2004, 07:19 AM

Those comments might hurt but they're so true. How many times have the Chiefs been oh so close but never sealed the deal due to at least one missing component. Most of the 90's and last year. Who was GM at this time? It makes you wonder.

ROYC75 · 09-16-2004, 07:21 AM

OK, since when does Taco know what he is talking about ? I mean, after all he believes in a Jackass for a team mascot and Rat for a head coach .

KCTitus · 09-16-2004, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Those comments might hurt but they're so true. How many times have the Chiefs been oh so close but never sealed the deal due to at least one missing component. Most of the 90's and last year. Who was GM at this time? It makes you wonder.

In the 90's the Chiefs supposedly had a best in the NFL defense, and as I understand it now, defense wins championships, so you tell me...is it GM or is it the team on the field?

Also, what part of 'it's the fans fault' is true? I need a genious (chiefsplanet spelling) explanation on that one too.

MichaelH · 09-16-2004, 07:27 AM

We had the best defense, that is true. But we had Steve Bonehead and a running back by commitee offense. True, we had Joe Montana, at the end of his career. Hell throw in Marcus Allen as well. It always seems as though the necessary balance has never existed since the 70's. I'm not going to speculate as to who's fault it is, it just seems as though the Chiefs need to be better balanced to win the big show.

KCTitus · 09-16-2004, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelH

We had the best defense, that is true. But we had Steve Bonehead and a running back by commitee offense. True, we had Joe Montana, at the end of his career. Hell throw in Marcus Allen as well. It always seems as though the necessary balance has never existed since the 70's. I'm not going to speculate as to who's fault it is, it just seems as though the Chiefs need to be better balanced to win the big show.

The DV team and Marty teams are polar opposites...yet, the GM person remained the same. This should provide us some clue as to who the driving force behind personnel is...CP signs the people that DV/Marty/Gunther wanted.

The ONLY reason why KC won 2 playoff games in 1993 was due to the play of Montana, otherwise this franchise would have had nothing to show for it's 'playoff run' in the 90's.

MichaelH · 09-16-2004, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

The DV team and Marty teams are polar opposites...yet, the GM person remained the same. This should provide us some clue as to who the driving force behind personnel is...CP signs the people that DV/Marty/Gunther wanted.

The ONLY reason why KC won 2 playoff games in 1993 was due to the play of Montana, otherwise this franchise would have had nothing to show for it's 'playoff run' in the 90's.

I agree, DV and Marty are polar opposites. DV equals offense and Marty defense. And that's why I say we have been unbalanced. Depending on who the coach was, the other side of the ball was neglected. Maybe Carl needs a bigger set of brass ones and needs to say no to his coaches.

nmt1 · 09-16-2004, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Maybe Carl needs a bigger set of brass ones and needs to say no to his coaches.

I thought Carl was the problem, not the answer.

You can hardly say that one side of the ball or the other has been neglected when one coach or another was in charge. Most of Vermiel's higher draft picks have been of the defensive variety.

KCTitus · 09-16-2004, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelH

I agree, DV and Marty are polar opposites. DV equals offense and Marty defense. And that's why I say we have been unbalanced. Depending on who the coach was, the other side of the ball was neglected. Maybe Carl needs a bigger set of brass ones and needs to say no to his coaches.

I wouldnt say it's was/is neglected...KC did trade for Montana, signed Allen and attempted to draft offense during those years. Unfortunately, the players didnt work out.

Same with DV's teams, they signed 3 Defensive FA's last year that appeared to be the solution but turned out not to be the pancea everyone thought. The draft picks have been heavily weighted defensive as well.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-16-2004, 08:06 AM

The fans fault?

What a twit.

I'm sure there has to be picture of TJ, in a one on one sit down with Bowlen, after the playoff loss to the Jags, DEMANDING that Bowlen win a Super Bowl. (For we all know how competitive TJ is as a fan)

nmt1 · 09-16-2004, 08:11 AM

As far as it being the fans fault, I think TJ has a point. There are so many around here who absolutely despise Carl and think he's the problem with the team yet they continue to buy tickets and merchandise. I'm not one of these people but I think if those that feel so strongly about Carl and his supposed negative effect on the team were serious, they'd get together and boycott or something.

09-16-2004, 06:11 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3199627 VARSITY	TJ's take on our defense from the donks site TJ said: Your defense sucks because Carl Peterson is a piss poor General Manager. Why do you guys suck? You can answer that by trying to find out the answers to these questions: Why did you resign Bartee this year? Why did you resign Warfield last year? Why didn't you fire Greg Robinson last year? Why did you draft a runningback last year when you knew you needed defense? If Priest went down, there's nothing LJ could have done to replace him. Why do you still have $5-7 million under the salary cap right now? It's partly the Chiefs fan's fault too... Why would you all accept such a blatant public relations move (re-signing Gunther) and be convinced that he's all you need to get over the hump? I remember when Carl was talking about bringing Romanowski in. Some fans were up in arms actually writing letters and signing petitions demanding that the Chiefs not sign Romo. I doubt one of those people wrote a single letter demanding that the Chiefs get serious about a playoff run and not just accept PR ploys and call them "improvements." You can never have enough bash carl threads on the planet...... As much as it pains me to admit it...he's mostly right. Our problem is not DV. It's personnel and the blame for that lays squarely at King Carl's doorstep. Can I get some Dammit Carl's
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09-16-2004, 06:17 AM	#2
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09-16-2004, 06:24 AM	#4
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3199627 VARSITY	More jokes at the Chiefs defense expense A joke article from The Brushback. http://www.thebrushback.com/chiefsD_full.htm Chiefs To Use Power Of Positive Thinking To Repair Defense KANSAS CITY, MO--The Kansas City Chiefs today announced a new strategy for repairing their struggling defense: the power of positive thinking. The defense, which was ranked last in the league a year ago, remains virtually unchanged. Instead of drafting young defenders and signing free agents, the team left the roster alone. Now that it’s too late to make any significant player upgrades, the Chiefs will simply hope with all their hearts that the defense improves. “I think this is the perfect solution to our problem,” said GM Carl Peterson. “We’re not gonna sit on our hands and be passive here. The defense is broken and needs to be fixed. And we’re just gonna concentrate, visualize ourselves playing better, and hope that it does the trick. If the guys feel better about themselves, they’ll play better. You just watch. This is going to change everything.” Peterson does not believe the team’s problems are personnel related. Though he did hire a new defensive coordinator in Gunther Cunningham, he was widely criticized for failing to upgrade his roster. Peterson believed that if the defense came into this season with a new attitude and fresh outlook, they would magically transform into a top-notch unit. So far he’s been wrong, as the Chiefs defense looked like its old ineffective self in Sunday night’s season opener against the Broncos. “That was a tough game, but we’re going to put it behind us,” Peterson. “We’re going to do much, much better next week. You know why? Because I’m hoping for the best, that’s why.” The team is following Peterson’s lead. Every player is really hoping that things turn out better for the defense. They’re hoping that interceptions suddenly fall into their hands and running backs fall down at their feet. They’re also hoping that they can somehow get some pressure on the quarterback, even though they have no dominant pass rusher. “I hope all these things happen. I really do,” said linebacker http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12201" target="_blank">http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12201" target="_blank">Shawn Barber. “We are not a very talented bunch, so we’re going to just hope things turn out well for us. We’re all thrilled to be here and very excited and we feel that enthusiasm is going to carry over into next week. Actually, we know the enthusiasm is going to carry over to next week. We just hope that enthusiasm is enough to help us win because we certainly don’t have any talent.” According to some coaches, the positive thinking and enthusiasm have already started to affect the team’s practices. “Wow, guys are really excited right now,” said Gunther Cunningham. “You can see it in their eyes, in the way they carry themselves—there’s really a spring in their step. Guys are high fiving each other, laughing, smiling, and thinking extremely happy thoughts. They still can’t play defense though. It took three guys to take down a tackling dummy yesterday.” The coaches are not panicking, however. They’re still convinced that the team’s new positive mind set will solve all of their problems. “We’ll get better. We’ll get better. We’ll get better” said Vernon Dean, defensive backs coach. “I keep repeating that to myself. Eventually it’s going to come true. See, some teams go the conventional route, and actually replace those bad players with better players. But our front office likes to think outside the box. They really like to think outside the box. In fact Carl wanted to waive a few of our defensive players and their backups in the offseason. He was actually willing to put ten men on the field. Then we really would’ve had to think positive. At that point, I would've had to come to practice drunk.” The power of positive thinking is pretty uncommon in the football world. Most NFL coaches s are surly and mean spirited, and use fear and discipline to get the most out of their players. That’s another reason why the Chiefs approach is a breath of fresh air. “The negative approach is very popular among NFL coaches,” said head coach Dick Vermeil. “And I can understand the merits of self criticism and tough love, but I don’t think that’s really going to help us. You do need some semblance of talent in order for that to work. So we’re just going to do the same things we did last year with the same people and hope this time around it magically works out. Isn’t that a great strategy? It certainly is refreshing to see so many happy faces focused on staying upbeat. But honestly, I’d trade all this positive thinking for one damn stop on third down.” With this roster, he may not get his wish. The defense has looked awful since training camp and there is nothing to indicate that they will improve. If the team finishes the year last in defense again, Peterson has vowed to take action. “Next offseason will be a little different than this one if our defensive unit is still struggling,” said Peterson. “As a GM, you’ve got to take action. I may consider hiring a motivational speaker to get team pumped up before every game. I may even consider giving them some ecstasy on Sundays. That stuff always makes you think positive. Come to think of it, maybe we should give some to the fans, too. __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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09-16-2004, 06:56 AM	#5
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09-16-2004, 07:19 AM	#6
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9312006	Those comments might hurt but they're so true. How many times have the Chiefs been oh so close but never sealed the deal due to at least one missing component. Most of the 90's and last year. Who was GM at this time? It makes you wonder.
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09-16-2004, 07:21 AM	#7
ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $5743900	OK, since when does Taco know what he is talking about ? I mean, after all he believes in a Jackass for a team mascot and Rat for a head coach . __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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09-16-2004, 07:27 AM	#9
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9312006	We had the best defense, that is true. But we had Steve Bonehead and a running back by commitee offense. True, we had Joe Montana, at the end of his career. Hell throw in Marcus Allen as well. It always seems as though the necessary balance has never existed since the 70's. I'm not going to speculate as to who's fault it is, it just seems as though the Chiefs need to be better balanced to win the big show.
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09-16-2004, 08:06 AM	#14
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $6120607	The fans fault? What a twit. I'm sure there has to be picture of TJ, in a one on one sit down with Bowlen, after the playoff loss to the Jags, DEMANDING that Bowlen win a Super Bowl. (For we all know how competitive TJ is as a fan)
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09-16-2004, 08:11 AM	#15
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	As far as it being the fans fault, I think TJ has a point. There are so many around here who absolutely despise Carl and think he's the problem with the team yet they continue to buy tickets and merchandise. I'm not one of these people but I think if those that feel so strongly about Carl and his supposed negative effect on the team were serious, they'd get together and boycott or something.
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