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Old 02-02-2012, 07:18 PM  
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:10 PM   #811
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You're looking at 1 game, a loss, and expecting praise for it.

Kansas squeeked by Texas, trailed at halftime to aTm in AFH when aTm was missing their 2 best players, lost to Iowa State, played one mediocre half and one great half against OU at AFH, and lost to Mizzou. That's your last 5 games.
And Mizzou lost @OSU, struggled to put away Texas Tech at home, and squeaked out a win @Texas... neither MU or KU had been playing well since beating Baylor.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #812
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Well if you give style points for a good loss, why don't you lose them for a bad win?

I'm inclined to give credit for a tough loss. But if you're going to be consistent, you have to be willing to knock them for an ugly win.

Either you're merely a product of your W/L record (in which case Kansas shouldn't be top 10) or your a product of the quality and strength of each respective W/L (in which case the fact that they came out flat against some pretty mediocre squads counts).

Which one is it?
I would if they were actually bad wins. But if you suck in the first half and then demolish your opponents in the 2nd on the way to an easy win, I wouldn't exactly call it one of those.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:45 PM   #813
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And Mizzou lost @OSU, struggled to put away Texas Tech at home, and squeaked out a win @Texas...
One of these things is not like the other.

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Old 02-06-2012, 04:56 PM   #816
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And Mizzou lost @OSU, struggled to put away Texas Tech at home, and squeaked out a win @Texas... neither MU or KU had been playing well since beating Baylor.
Mizzou is 4-1 with a home win against a top 10 team and a road win against a top 5 team in our last 5 games.

Kansas is 3-2 with no wins against teams that are even getting votes for the top 25 in their last 5 games.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:10 PM   #817
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Mizzou is 4-1 with a home win against a top 10 team and a road win against a top 5 team in our last 5 games.

Kansas is 3-2 with no wins against teams that are even getting votes for the top 25 in their last 5 games.
Yes but they lost to so many great teams!
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Mizzou is 4-1 with a home win against a top 10 team and a road win against a top 5 team in our last 5 games.

Kansas is 3-2 with no wins against teams that are even getting votes for the top 25 in their last 5 games.
That doesn't change anything I said... KU beat Baylor, then struggled until the 2nd half of OU, which includes one loss. Mizzou beat Baylor, then struggled until they played Saturday, including one loss. Baylor lost both games, and haven't looked good since then, either.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:23 PM   #819
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That doesn't change anything I said... KU beat Baylor, then struggled until the 2nd half of OU, which includes one loss. Mizzou beat Baylor, then struggled until they played Saturday, including one loss. Baylor lost both games, and haven't looked good since then, either.
I'm saying they aren't as comparable as you'd like to make them out to be. You have 2 losses and no good wins in your last 5 games. Mizzou has 2 losses all year plus a head to head win against Kansas and a road win against Baylor.

Hell, KU has lost as many games in the last 3 as Mizzou does total. You should totally be ranked top 5, though. You deserve it because your team has a giant reeruned bird on their home court.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:31 PM   #820
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Saul just curious, if Mizzou played KU's schedule this year, what's their record right now?

I'm not advocating that KU is a top 5 team, hell I don't really think they are top 10. I think they can be a top 10 team at times, and at times don't look like they should be ranked.

I'm just curious tho.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:33 PM   #821
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I'm saying they aren't as comparable as you'd like to make them out to be. You have 2 losses and no good wins in your last 5 games. Mizzou has 2 losses all year plus a head to head win against Kansas and a road win against Baylor.

Hell, KU has lost as many games in the last 3 as Mizzou does total. You should totally be ranked top 5, though. You deserve it because your team has a giant reeruned bird on their home court.
If ignoring KU's win vs the same team MU beat because it falls one short of the magical 'last 5' makes you feel better, whatever.

And I never said they deserve to in the top 5, but my uplink to the KU fan opinion mothership has been malfunctioning lately. You guys are so good at telling us what our opinions are and how arrogant we are and stuff, not sure why you even bother with the conversation at all.

Oh noes, KU has lost a couple of games lately and stuff.... panic, much needed humbleness, and something arrogant.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:34 PM   #822
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Again I'm not coming here to bang on MU or anything, me and a classmate today were just talking about tournament time and thinking who would be tough match ups for who.


I think teams like MU will give KU fits because they tend to have really good guard play. I think with playing that 4th guard, MU becomes actually harder to guard.

Thats something I don't think KU really tried to take advantage of Saturday. With him guarding Withey they didn't really try to force feed him anything. Of course he got in ft a little bit and the few times they did try to get it in there, MU doubled and he had to kick it out. I thought he did a pretty good job doing that as KU got some good looks early. I'm not sure why they went away from it so soon tho, but it probably had to do with MU doing a good job adjusting.

I think big banging teams will give MU fits. Robinson really had his way in the second half in the paint. Although I think MU's guard play can offset alot of the bigs with turning over the other teams guards, I think a big physical team could give MU some trouble.
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Old 02-06-2012, 05:38 PM   #823
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Saw MU was 5 point favs. I dont' expect it to be that close.

I think MU with a 10 point win, although OU has been playing better of late, beating KSU.
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I think big banging teams will give MU fits. Robinson really had his way in the second half in the paint. Although I think MU's guard play can offset alot of the bigs with turning over the other teams guards, I think a big physical team could give MU some trouble.
Robinson will give every team in the country fits.

The big man for most teams is closer to Whithey than Robinson, and MU didn't exactly have a problem with Jeff.

Yeah, anytime you have a slightly smaller, slightly more skilled version of Dwight Howard on your team, you're going to be a tough matchup. I don't exactly see our inability to contain that freak as being demonstrative of a complete inability to deal with interior size.

Talk to me after the 2nd Baylor game and I might change my mind, and if we lose to KSU again but are actually hitting our jumpshots, I'll also reconsider, but dealing with size through drawing charges and daring the big men to put the ball on the floor has worked out well for us thus far. We haven't lost a game this year because of a size disadvantage; OSU was white-hot from the floor and MU couldn't find the bucket if they had a map against KSU.
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