**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

Spoiler!

11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

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1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by Ceej

Perry "piece of shit" Ellis with Big 12 player of the week.

BoyHowdy, what is this all about ?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Roy Williams picked up No. 300 at UNC tonight in 386 games. Bill Self has 319 wins at KU in 383 games.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Last 7 games for OSU, 0-4 with Smart, 0-3 without him.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Roy Williams picked up No. 300 at UNC tonight in 386 games. Bill Self has 319 wins at KU in 383 games.

Roy has a little bit of the edge in the post season dept w/ 3 Final Fours and 2 National Championships compared to 2 Final Fours and 1 National Championship for Self.

Self has been so close so many times, getting beat in the elite 8, and getting beat by inferior teams. Self's post season numbers should be a lot better than what they are. Imagine if Self were able to defeat GaTech in 2004, UCLA in 2007, and VCU in 2011, he'd have 5 Final Fours to his name in a 10-year span.

BUT

One of the Final Four losses came to Bill Self's Jayhawks. And Self has yet to lose to Roy while at Kansas, and he's won in pretty good fashion too.

Self has never missed a NCAA Tournament while at Kansas, Roy's Heels failed to get there in 2010, and it wasn't because of NCAA probation either.

Self's reg. season numbers do trump Roy's, especially as of late. UNC has been slowly but sure slipping away from that top tier status. I mean they still are as a formality with the name/history/coach/prestige, but they're slipping in the winning/production dept.

Self has 9 straight Big12 reg season conf titles, and is probably going to receive his 10th after this season or at least a share of it. That's insane regardless of who you're comparing it to, and it's more impressive than the run UCLA had in it's conference in the 70's because there wasn't the parity in the game like there is now and the game overall is much different now.

Roy will have gone 2 yrs since his last reg season conf title, though he's won 6 which is impressive, that doesn't match the 10 consecutive titles Self has won. And Self has been able to accomplish this by coaching in the tougher conference regardless of what all of the east coast biased media will tell you about the ACC. This isn't the 90's and into the early 2000's anymore. Big12 has long passed the ACC in terms of basketball conference strength.

Roy has only won 2 ACC Tournament Championships (probably the most worthless of all championships, these tournaments don't usually benefit schools like UNC or KU, but in comparison Self has won 6 in a 10-year span.

But Final Fours and NC's is why you play/coach the game, and Roy has Self beat in that category, may not be for long, and Self will probably end up passing Roy in that dept when it's all said and done.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

BoyHowdy, what is this all about ?

You must not have been around last season when Prison Bitch commented about Perry Ellis being a POS or the worst college basketball player (or something like). PB is like CoMo lite.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You serious? They lost in a blowout to Texas just last week without him, lost at home to Oklahoma a few days later, and are on their way to losing to a bad Baylor team. Smart was the only thing keeping their offense half decent.



Even while missing 3 games and going through a month long shooting slump before that, Smart has been the best player statistically in the conference that isn't out of KU (which puts him 4th in the B12 behind Wiggins, Embiid, and Ellis).

With Smart, they lost @OU by 12, without him they lost to OU by 3. With Smart, they lost to Baylor by 6, without him they lost @Baylor by 6 in OT. Yeah, they were terrible at Texas... so was Kansas.

In the 4 games before the suspension, they lost by an average of 76-70 (not including the 3 OTs against ISU)... 78-69 in the 3 games since.

Small sample sizes, etc; but it really hasn't made much of a difference. Yeah, he ends up with 15+ points because he hits 10 FTs a game or whatever, but as it's been pointed out in the past, he also takes terrible shots and costs his team possessions. It's not like they missed that 3/14 and 0/7 effort from the first time he played Baylor.

[TLO]

8 point favorite tonight against Texas Tech. That number seems a little high to me...

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Big Smoke

8 point favorite tonight against Texas Tech. That number seems a little high to me...

It's going to be tough, but if Embiid is near 100% I can see it. If not, look the **** out.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

It's going to be tough, but if Embiid is near 100% I can see it. If not, look the **** out.

I just know how bad our defense looks at times. Having Embiid back will be huge.

[Ceej]

The first name I immediately think of when I hear Texas Tech is Daryl ****ing Dora.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Ceej

The first name I immediately think of when I hear Texas Tech is Daryl ****ing Dora.

**** you assface. I had successfully blocked that nonsense from my memory. And here you go and **** that all up. I get ONE ****ING THING accomplished and you come piss all over it you mother****ing son of a bitch!

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

But Final Fours and NC's is why you play/coach the game, and Roy has Self beat in that category, may not be for long, and Self will probably end up passing Roy in that dept when it's all said and done.

I doubt that. Roy has 7 Final Fours now while Self only has 2. I doubt Self will be able to ever catch him. He's just punted away too many golden opportunities in the Elite 8 as you stated. NC's are different though since it's only 2-1. Self can, and probably will, catch him there.

[DanBecky]

Originally Posted by Ceej

The first name I immediately think of when I hear Texas Tech is Daryl ****ing Dora.

Isn't that the dude who gave Aaron Miles a nice shiner (which caused them to whistle him for traveling) then hit a 3 to win the game? Vividly remember because I too had almost completely erased that from my memory.

[Ceej]

I wish I could remember Dora's 3 pt. % going into that game.

If I remember correctly he hit a couple that night. Such a joke.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Small sample sizes, etc; but it really hasn't made much of a difference. Yeah, he ends up with 15+ points because he hits 10 FTs a game or whatever, but as it's been pointed out in the past, he also takes terrible shots and costs his team possessions. It's not like they missed that 3/14 and 0/7 effort from the first time he played Baylor.

This is like arguing that because KU won by 30 over TCU without Embiid rather than 22 with him, that KU is a better team without him. If you seriously think Marcus Smart hurts his team rather than helps, you both don't understand what you're watching nor do you understand how to read his statistics.