Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 241

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 05-05-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

I'd say take a swing throwing in Bonifacio or Starling in maybe 2 or 3 games to see what he has if Frenchy is really really struggling, even Lough could come check in to see if he has anything to contribute.

No way. Neither is close to ready for major league pitching.

Rushing hitters to the majors is the surest way to mess them up.

Neither is close to advanced enough to hit in the major leagues. But would be much worse hitters on Day 1 than Frenchy.

KChiefs1 · 05-05-2013, 10:03 AM

@JeffPassan
Why are teams legit scared of 15-10 KC? Danny Duffy, almost a year removed from Tommy John, is sitting 94-97. Could join rotation late June.

DJJasonp · 05-05-2013, 10:06 AM

Will be representing next monday in Anaheim. Been trying to figure out who will be on the bump for us then, but with all these rainouts, it's been tough.

Thinking it will be Santana or Guthrie.

Cant wait though.

KChiefs1 · 05-05-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Read all that to learn Frenchy is useless. Thank you Captain Obvious.

I think the easy, quick & cheap fix would to acquire David DeJesus & platoon him with Frenchy. Bat DeJesus vs righties & Frenchy vs lefties...I'm sure someone here can give you the splits of both but that would work. I'd love to see them acquire Giancarlo Stanton, but I'm a dreamer!

KChiefs1 · 05-05-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Will be representing next monday in Anaheim. Been trying to figure out who will be on the bump for us then, but with all these rainouts, it's been tough.

Thinking it will be Santana or Guthrie.

Cant wait though.

I'll be at The K next weekend for the Yankee series!

Simplicity · 05-05-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I'll be at The K next weekend for the Yankee series!

Lucky.

Cephalic Trauma · 05-05-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

I really, really hope you are joking.

I was serious.

Is he, like, good or something?

ChiliConCarnage · 05-05-2013, 10:49 AM

Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

Ebolapox · 05-05-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

salvy wasn't really technically drafted, brah

ChiliConCarnage · 05-05-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

salvy wasn't really technically drafted, brah

I know he was out of Venezuela but we picked him, developed him and he starts. We also, I'm assuming at gunpoint, got him to sign a 5 year 7 million dollar contract. I normally like it when my teams get a good deal but that's so pathetically low I almost want them to renegotiate and at least double it for him lol

Nightfyre · 05-05-2013, 03:54 PM

Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-05-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

Man how a year can change things. A year-ish ago GMDM was the biggest buffoon out there.

Sanchez was awful
Kept Frenchy and he was awful while Melky was raking
Lo Cain and Salvy hurt
Duffy, the first starting pitcher to make it to the majors that he drafted blew his arm out.
Hosmer wasn't hitting. Kind of still a problem

Pretty much everything he's done since then has been golden

edit: He still really needs Hosmer or Moose to pick it up though. You can't have to trade for starting pitching because all of yours got hurt, became pen arms or flamed out and then miss on most of your hitting prospects. Really Salvy is the only guy who he drafted and developed who is a starter for us either at the plate or as a starting pitcher.

Nobody that knew anything about our minor league talent thought that Moore was a buffoon.

Edit: Also, Hosmer has been blistering the ball. Bad luck, right now.

kcchiefsus · 05-05-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

Their schedule is complete bullshit.

tredadda · 05-05-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Also **** the Tigers, once again, for facing a high school team.

In due time we as well will get to face the vaunted Astros. Hopefully we don't fail to take advantage of that free gift.

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Nobody that knew anything about our minor league talent thought that Moore was a buffoon.

Edit: Also, Hosmer has been blistering the ball. Bad luck, right now.

Hosmer had three soft hits yesterday...it all balances out.

On another note, Gordon and Cain look like All Stars. So does Escobar, for that matter.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
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