****Official 2014 STL Cardinals thread ****

[BigRedChief]

2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014?

• This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
• Reached three World Series in the last decade, and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
• Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.
• Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
• 60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
• Only one of the last 14 seasons has been a losing one.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We still get the same comp pick, right?

I don't believe the new CBA punishes the surrendering team if the acquiring team has a more highly rated FA acquisition, correct?

Yeah, we still get the pick.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We still get the same comp pick, right?

I don't believe the new CBA punishes the surrendering team if the acquiring team has a more highly rated FA acquisition, correct?

Per mlbtraderumors

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...s-beltran.html

Since Beltran rejected the Cards' one-year qualifying offer, St. Louis will receive a compensation pick between the first and second rounds of the 2014 amateur draft.

The Yankees will sacrifice a third-round draft pick as compensation for signing Beltran. New York has now given up its first, second and third round picks in next year's draft due to their signings of Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury and Brian McCann (though they'll get one pick after the first round since Curtis Granderson signed with the Mets).

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan

Well, I'd think so, but have to ask: is Peralta rated higher than Beltran, and what other reason would Beltran be offered arbitration?

Peralta was not offered.

Cano and Granderson were both given QO's that they turned down.

Had every FA who declined signed w/ another team, the Cardinals would have gotten the 43rd pick. As is, their comp pick is somewhere around 38-40.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Round 1
1. Astros	17. Orioles
2. Marlins	18. Yankees
3. White Sox	19. Royals
4. Cubs	20. Nationals
5. Twins	21. Reds
6. Mariners	22. Rangers
7. Phillies	23. Rays
8. Rockies	24. Indians
9. Blue Jays	25. Dodgers
10. Mets	26. Tigers
11. Blue Jays*	27. Pirates
12. Brewers	28. Athletics
13. Padres	29. Braves
14. Giants	30. Red Sox
15. Angels	31. Cardinals
16. D-backs
Comp Round A**
32. Mariners (Morales)
33. Yankees (Cano/Granderson/Kuroda)
34. Yankees (Cano/Granderson/Kuroda)
35. Yankees (Cano/Granderson/Kuroda)
36. Royals (Santana)
37. Reds (Choo)
38. Rangers (Cruz)
39. Indians (Jimenez)
40. Braves (McCann)
41. Red Sox (Drew/Ellsbury/Napoli)
42. Red Sox (Drew/Ellsbury/Napoli)
43. Red Sox (Drew/Ellsbury/Napoli)
44. Cardinals (Beltran)

[O.city]

Why do we get the 44 pick?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Since Napoli signed w/ Boston, pick 43 goes away.
Since Kuroda signed w/ NYY, pick 35 goes away
Since NYY signed McCann, pick 18 goes away.

Imagine that Jimenez, Drew, Cruz, Choo, Morales, Santana sign w/ teams outside the top ten. That would mean six more first round draft picks go away. If they re-sign w/ their original team, same thing happens.

Cardinals' comp pick should be around 35-37.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why do we get the 44 pick?

Coinflip best record w/ Red Sox. The comp picks are doled out in reverse order of finish.

[O.city]

So we turned john jay, David freese, and Pete kozma into Johnny penalty, peter bourjos, Matt carpenter and kolten Wong.


I think the offseason has been pretty successful this far. Like to see some pop added to he bench still

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I believe the Cubs are on the verge of forfeiting their pick to the Phillies over a previous rule 5 pick that didn't spend enough time on the Cubs MLB squad.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Coinflip best record w/ Red Sox. The comp picks are doled out in reverse order of finish.

I'm also curious why Boston picks 30 and stl 31, was that also a coin flip? I figure if anyone knows, it's Hamas.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan

I'm also curious why Boston picks 30 and stl 31, was that also a coin flip? I figure if anyone knows, it's Hamas.

2012 record for 1st round. Since they lost a million games, they pick first.

Forgot to mention that the Cards' first pick will be 30th at worst. The more players that sign w/ teams outside the top ten in the draft order, the higher our first is. It'd be pretty nice to pick 25 and 35.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

2012 record for 1st round. Since they lost a million games, they pick first.

Impressive sir. Still should bolster an already strong system with 2 picks 30-37.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

So we turned john jay, David freese, and Pete kozma into Johnny penalty, peter bourjos, Matt carpenter and kolten Wong.


I think the offseason has been pretty successful this far. Like to see some pop added to he bench still

Mo has done a fantastic job. Not only getting what we need on the cheap, now we can wait on a good trade and not look deperate.

Asking for Miller/Martinez for the SS's that were beeing offered was asine. I'm assuming they thought we would fold and make the deal. Now he can wait to make a deal on his terms.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

2012 record for 1st round. Since they lost a million games, they pick first.

Forgot to mention that the Cards' first pick will be 30th at worst. The more players that sign w/ teams outside the top ten in the draft order, the higher our first is. It'd be pretty nice to pick 25 and 35.

That would be beautiful to have.

I'm starting to think our GM might be pretty damn good at what he does. A sith lord perhaps.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Mo has done a fantastic job. Not only getting what we need on the cheap, now we can wait on a good trade and not look deperate.

Asking for Miller/Martinez for the SS's that were beeing offered was asine. I'm assuming they thought we would fold and make the deal. Now he can wait to make a deal on his terms.

Yeah, or not make a deal at all.