Royals JoPo: Beltran Blossomed in KC

Deberg_1990 · 07-23-2008, 07:39 AM

Good read. I cant believe its been almost 10 years since he first got called up. Wow....

How good would this current Royals team look with a player of his caliber in the middle of the lineup??

http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/712372.html

By JOE POSNANSKI
The Kansas City Star

CINCINNATI | Here’s something that might make you feel old. We are coming up on the 10th anniversary of Carlos Beltran’s first game with the Royals.

Ten years. Now, the last true superstar the Royals ever developed is here in the New York Mets clubhouse, and he has a bat in his hand, and he is entertaining eight or nine Mets with some sort of one-man baseball play. It’s in Spanish, so it’s hard for me to pick up the specific plotlines, but the play is obviously hilarious because Mets are falling over each other laughing.

Then again, everyone laughs at Beltran’s jokes now. He’s a New York star. He’s the show. He’s the guy on the back page of the New York Post and Daily News. He has had surgeries on both knees, he has hit 250 home runs, he has stolen 250 bases (he’s already one of only 17 to do both — and he’s only 31), he has won Gold Gloves the last two years, he is making $17 million per year. That can make the jokes funnier.

Still, the amazing part is that he’s the one telling the jokes. Back when he was called up to Kansas City — Sept. 14, 1998, if you’re planning a party — you couldn’t get him to talk even with a good-cop, bad-cop routine. He seemed scared and alone, he did not feel comfortable with his English, he did not feel sure that he belonged in the major leagues. He was just a frightened kid then, and the memory that lingers is of him sitting alone at his locker at Kauffman Stadium while making a radio-controlled car rumble all over the clubhouse. He never seemed to say anything, and he never seemed to tire of that car. It was as if somebody’s little brother had sneaked in.

“I learned a lot about myself in Kansas City,” Beltran is saying now. “It’s like I grew up there. I still think about Kansas City a lot.”

Well, that’s good because Kansas City thinks about him a lot, too. Maybe people don’t think about Beltran himself — but what he represents. He was the last superstar. He was the lottery ticket that hit. He was the last guy the Royals signed, developed and watched become a player so good that the Yankees and Red Sox and Mets and Cardinals and all the rest drooled. He could do everything — hit, run, throw, slug, you name it. He was the guy Royals general manager Allard Baird said, “could be as good as he wants to be. If he wants to steal 40 bases, he could do that. If he wants to hit 40 home runs he could do that. If he wants to hit .300 he could do that.”

He has, in fact, done all of that, and here’s how much people in the Heartland miss Carlos Beltran: Saturday night in Omaha, they gave out Carlos Beltran statues to the first 1,500 fans to show up for the Class AAA game against Round Rock. It seems that Beltran was voted the fans’ favorite Omaha Royals player this decade, which is nice except … Beltran played exactly five games with Omaha.

He did hit two home runs in those five games, so there is that.

But that just shows you the power of the Beltran memory. He was an example of the Royals doing everything right. In 1995, when Beltran was playing high school baseball in Puerto Rico, a lot of teams gave up on him. Scouts loved his talent, but they were not sure he had the drive. That’s why the Royals were able to take him in the second round. He hit .245 his first three seasons in the minor leagues without much power or speed.

And then, suddenly, he blossomed — detonated, really. He was called up to Class AA Wichita when he was 21, and in 47 games he hit .352, cracked 14 home runs, stole seven out of eight bases, and the Royals were like: “Holy cow, what’s this?” The Royals called him up immediately, and sure he looked scared, but on the field he had this star quality, you could see it right away. The Royals made him the starting center fielder the next spring and told him, “Don’t worry about hitting. Just catch the ball and relax.”

Beltran promptly hit 22 homers, stole 27 bases, and he became the first rookie since Joe DiMaggio to score 100 runs and drive in 100. He won Rookie of the Year, of course.

And at that very moment, lost in the joy of watching the most exciting player the Royals had since Bo was young, the countdown began: Everyone knew it was only a matter of time before the Royals would not be able to afford Carlos Beltran.

And that’s how it played out. The Royals traded him away because he was going to leave anyway. He went to Houston and had one of the great playoff performances ever. He went to New York and has started in three All-Star Games, won two Gold Gloves, wowed them and let them down, like superstars do.

He’s grown up now. He’s heard the cheers, he’s heard the boos, he knows his place in the game. And he is precisely the sort of player the Royals don’t have, can’t afford, the established superstar, the magazine cover, the guy who has seen everything, the guy who people buy tickets to see, the guy everyone in the clubhouse tries to impress.

“Sure, I feel more comfortable now,” he says. “I’m a lot older. I’ve been through a lot, you know? I’ve done a few things in baseball now. I’m a different person than I was in Kansas City, really.

“I love playing for New York. We have a chance to win here. If we need a player, we go out and get a player. It’s a good feeling. A lot of teams don’t do that. It’s not just Kansas City. A lot of teams, I think they want to win, but they don’t want to spend money to win.”

Here Beltran smiled.

“Good players cost a lot of money,” he said.

He has learned a lot in ten years. But that’s probably the truest lesson of them all.

BigChiefFan · 07-23-2008, 07:48 AM

Too bad ownership is a bunch of cheap asses.

Demonpenz · 07-23-2008, 08:25 AM

The walkoff homerun he had and that stupid 360 of him robbing a homerun was my favorite beltran memories. I also used to like how they would play scenes of gladiator when he came up thus earning the nickname maximus. I never saw mantle play but I figure beltran is close to him,

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I never saw mantle play but I figure beltran is close to him,

Obviously I've seen Mantle only in various clips, but my sense is that you're talking craziness. Beltran, though a hell of a talent, was never really the 5-tool player he was often described as; he never really had the arm strength.

beavis · 07-23-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Too bad ownership is a bunch of cheap asses.

Boras was never going to let him sign here. Period.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by beavis

Boras was never going to let him sign here. Period.

If the organization would have shown Beltran a pile of cash as a young player, he likely would have signed. Waiting until his contract year was a mistake. Look what happened with Longoria. He plays for 5 minutes and is inked long-term.

I'm forgetting the specifics, but at the time I don't believe that the Royals and Beltran were that far apart, but ultimately Glass didn't loosen the purse strings. Sweeney was good enough to appease the fans, from the Glass' perspective, I suppose.

Demonpenz · 07-23-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Obviously I've seen Mantle only in various clips, but my sense is that you're talking craziness. Beltran, though a hell of a talent, was never really the 5-tool player he was often described as; he never really had the arm strength.

beltran has a strong arm.

Valiant · 07-23-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If the organization would have shown Beltran a pile of cash as a young player, he likely would have signed. Look what happened with Longoria. He plays for 5 minutes and is inked long-term.

I'm forgetting the specifics, but at the time I don't believe that the Royals and Beltran were that far apart, but ultimately Glass didn't loosen the purse strings. Sweeney was good enough to appease the fans, from the Glass' perspective, I suppose.

With the Royal curse of the last two decades, if he would have signed he would have become like Sweeny imo..

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

beltran has a strong arm.

I'm not saying he's Damon, but...

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

With the Royal curse of the last two decades, if he would have signed he would have become like Sweeny imo..

Maybe. But I like it when my team at least tries, you know. Everyone has bad luck, but not everyone packs it in before things begin.

Frazod · 07-23-2008, 08:47 AM

I've learned to hate Beltran over the years. And while he does have talent, and is a pain in the ass, he is also a CHOKE ARTIST LOSER when it matters most.

Him starring at strike three from Wainwright in the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS was one of the greatest moments of my sports fan life.

StcChief · 07-23-2008, 08:50 AM

so is Soria the next X-Royal ?

Deberg_1990 · 07-23-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by beavis

Boras was never going to let him sign here. Period.

Money talks. Bullsh*t walks.

Obviously Mr. Wal Mart likes Bullsh*t.

VAChief · 07-23-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I've learned to hate Beltran over the years. And while he does have talent, and is a pain in the ass, he is also a CHOKE ARTIST LOSER when it matters most.

Him starring at strike three from Wainwright in the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS was one of the greatest moments of my sports fan life.

That one pitch might be the best single descriptor for that season...extremely unexpected...I was so used to seeing him play out of his a** against us I expected another letdown.

markk · 07-23-2008, 09:00 AM

Can you guys name a single Boras client who's ever said he wanted to test free agency and then resigned at any price?

And for those of you scoring at home, Beltran is hitting .268 as of today, and will be paid $18.6 million this season. In fact he's never hit anywhere close to .300 since leaving the Royals, even with the benefit of a lot more protection in the lineup. And obviously, he hasn't come up in the post season for the Mets.

You could definitely make the argument that Beltran has failed to meet expectations in New York, and as popular as he is, he's significantly overpaid. It's not good value for the Mets to be devoting 15% of their payroll to him and they are the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. In Kansas City he'd be closer to a quarter of it.

Not good value. The Royals could spend that 20 on a couple of good starting pitchers or a couple of good bats in the lineup. You might be able to get two similar players for that.

07-23-2008, 07:39 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	JoPo: Beltran Blossomed in KC Good read. I cant believe its been almost 10 years since he first got called up. Wow.... How good would this current Royals team look with a player of his caliber in the middle of the lineup?? http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/712372.html By JOE POSNANSKI The Kansas City Star CINCINNATI \| Here’s something that might make you feel old. We are coming up on the 10th anniversary of Carlos Beltran’s first game with the Royals. Ten years. Now, the last true superstar the Royals ever developed is here in the New York Mets clubhouse, and he has a bat in his hand, and he is entertaining eight or nine Mets with some sort of one-man baseball play. It’s in Spanish, so it’s hard for me to pick up the specific plotlines, but the play is obviously hilarious because Mets are falling over each other laughing. Then again, everyone laughs at Beltran’s jokes now. He’s a New York star. He’s the show. He’s the guy on the back page of the New York Post and Daily News. He has had surgeries on both knees, he has hit 250 home runs, he has stolen 250 bases (he’s already one of only 17 to do both — and he’s only 31), he has won Gold Gloves the last two years, he is making $17 million per year. That can make the jokes funnier. Still, the amazing part is that he’s the one telling the jokes. Back when he was called up to Kansas City — Sept. 14, 1998, if you’re planning a party — you couldn’t get him to talk even with a good-cop, bad-cop routine. He seemed scared and alone, he did not feel comfortable with his English, he did not feel sure that he belonged in the major leagues. He was just a frightened kid then, and the memory that lingers is of him sitting alone at his locker at Kauffman Stadium while making a radio-controlled car rumble all over the clubhouse. He never seemed to say anything, and he never seemed to tire of that car. It was as if somebody’s little brother had sneaked in. “I learned a lot about myself in Kansas City,” Beltran is saying now. “It’s like I grew up there. I still think about Kansas City a lot.” Well, that’s good because Kansas City thinks about him a lot, too. Maybe people don’t think about Beltran himself — but what he represents. He was the last superstar. He was the lottery ticket that hit. He was the last guy the Royals signed, developed and watched become a player so good that the Yankees and Red Sox and Mets and Cardinals and all the rest drooled. He could do everything — hit, run, throw, slug, you name it. He was the guy Royals general manager Allard Baird said, “could be as good as he wants to be. If he wants to steal 40 bases, he could do that. If he wants to hit 40 home runs he could do that. If he wants to hit .300 he could do that.” He has, in fact, done all of that, and here’s how much people in the Heartland miss Carlos Beltran: Saturday night in Omaha, they gave out Carlos Beltran statues to the first 1,500 fans to show up for the Class AAA game against Round Rock. It seems that Beltran was voted the fans’ favorite Omaha Royals player this decade, which is nice except … Beltran played exactly five games with Omaha. He did hit two home runs in those five games, so there is that. But that just shows you the power of the Beltran memory. He was an example of the Royals doing everything right. In 1995, when Beltran was playing high school baseball in Puerto Rico, a lot of teams gave up on him. Scouts loved his talent, but they were not sure he had the drive. That’s why the Royals were able to take him in the second round. He hit .245 his first three seasons in the minor leagues without much power or speed. And then, suddenly, he blossomed — detonated, really. He was called up to Class AA Wichita when he was 21, and in 47 games he hit .352, cracked 14 home runs, stole seven out of eight bases, and the Royals were like: “Holy cow, what’s this?” The Royals called him up immediately, and sure he looked scared, but on the field he had this star quality, you could see it right away. The Royals made him the starting center fielder the next spring and told him, “Don’t worry about hitting. Just catch the ball and relax.” Beltran promptly hit 22 homers, stole 27 bases, and he became the first rookie since Joe DiMaggio to score 100 runs and drive in 100. He won Rookie of the Year, of course. And at that very moment, lost in the joy of watching the most exciting player the Royals had since Bo was young, the countdown began: Everyone knew it was only a matter of time before the Royals would not be able to afford Carlos Beltran. And that’s how it played out. The Royals traded him away because he was going to leave anyway. He went to Houston and had one of the great playoff performances ever. He went to New York and has started in three All-Star Games, won two Gold Gloves, wowed them and let them down, like superstars do. He’s grown up now. He’s heard the cheers, he’s heard the boos, he knows his place in the game. And he is precisely the sort of player the Royals don’t have, can’t afford, the established superstar, the magazine cover, the guy who has seen everything, the guy who people buy tickets to see, the guy everyone in the clubhouse tries to impress. “Sure, I feel more comfortable now,” he says. “I’m a lot older. I’ve been through a lot, you know? I’ve done a few things in baseball now. I’m a different person than I was in Kansas City, really. “I love playing for New York. We have a chance to win here. If we need a player, we go out and get a player. It’s a good feeling. A lot of teams don’t do that. It’s not just Kansas City. A lot of teams, I think they want to win, but they don’t want to spend money to win.” Here Beltran smiled. “Good players cost a lot of money,” he said. He has learned a lot in ten years. But that’s probably the truest lesson of them all.
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markk Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Can you guys name a single Boras client who's ever said he wanted to test free agency and then resigned at any price? And for those of you scoring at home, Beltran is hitting .268 as of today, and will be paid $18.6 million this season. In fact he's never hit anywhere close to .300 since leaving the Royals, even with the benefit of a lot more protection in the lineup. And obviously, he hasn't come up in the post season for the Mets. You could definitely make the argument that Beltran has failed to meet expectations in New York, and as popular as he is, he's significantly overpaid. It's not good value for the Mets to be devoting 15% of their payroll to him and they are the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. In Kansas City he'd be closer to a quarter of it. Not good value. The Royals could spend that 20 on a couple of good starting pitchers or a couple of good bats in the lineup. You might be able to get two similar players for that.
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