Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 419

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

irishjayhawk · 08-27-2010, 02:06 PM

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And I have the answer for each and every question about Lost. If someone's freaking out asking 'what going on here'

I simply say, 'it's a television show, nothing more nothing less'

But what about xxxx?

'it's part of a television plotline'

But what does it mean about yyyy?

'it means that the creators thought you musing about the effect of xxxx on yyyy would be compelling television.'

If there was a way to delete the church scene from the finale (or do away with the finale altogether) would you have the same feelings you have now?

**Baby Lee** · 08-27-2010, 02:38 PM

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If there was a way to delete the church scene from the finale (or do away with the finale altogether) would you have the same feelings you have now?

The finale was fine, as a finale, the church scene was fine, as a final scene.

The problem is, the mythology of this show, and a great deal of its draw was all these little nuggets of mystery and intrigue, that they assured us; they had a plan for, and wasn't perdition.

So your have the legions of obsessed viewers, combing over scenes and stills for clues and weaving together elaborate theories that, in retrospect were more interesting than anything the creators intended.

And it turns out their plan was to tell us in the end that none of it mattered, and the non-perdition was a decidedly perditiony non-perdition.

So its like you go to the most gripping and enticing murder mystery dinner theater, and just when everyone thinks they have it all figured out, the hosts say 'meh, who cares, dinner's ready.'

**Buck** · 08-27-2010, 03:26 PM

You guys make me sick.

Red Brooklyn · 08-27-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The problem is, the mythology of this show, and a great deal of its draw was all these little nuggets of mystery and intrigue, that they assured us; they had a plan for, and wasn't perdition.

But the mythology and little nugets were intreguing. So the draw of the show was ligitimate. They did have a plan. And It wasn't perdition.

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So your have the legions of obsessed viewers, combing over scenes and stills for clues and weaving together elaborate theories that, in retrospect were more interesting than anything the creators intended.

Combing over scenes and stills for clues was a fan created phenomenon. Thanks, in large part, to the advent and proficency of the internet.

Yes, most of the theories fans created were more interesting. But that's almost always the way it goes with serial thrillers. You have time to stop and think and fall in love with pet theories.

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And it turns out their plan was to tell us in the end that none of it mattered, and the non-perdition was a decidedly perditiony non-perdition.

It did matter, though. Very much.

**Baby Lee** · 08-27-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

But the mythology and little nugets were intreguing. So the draw of the show was ligitimate. They did have a plan. And It wasn't perdition.

Finding clues to a mystery is a waste of time when there isn't actually a mystery, just the intimation of a mystery to draw viewers

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It did matter, though. Very much.

It mattered only inasmuch as 'it all happened,' cold comfort for those who were interested in how and why it happened, which didn't matter at all [to the authors].

I stand behind my summarization of Lost "a TV show that wanted a lot of viewers, nothing more, nothing less."

To put it another way, the driving force behind a vast majority of the dedicated [non-Jate,Skate] viewers, was 'man this is awfully promising, and I sure hope it's worth it when it is all told and the pieces are assembled.' And when the assembled product is 'what you witnessed . . . . happened, oh, and everyone's dead,' it's, like I've said earlier, a mystery dinner theater with no mystery solved, or a SB with no score or winner.

keg in kc · 08-27-2010, 05:11 PM

I'm not finding myself missing it at all, but my interest waned with the arrival of each new season.

**007** · 08-27-2010, 11:35 PM

This thread is still alive?

Red Brooklyn · 08-28-2010, 07:59 AM

But, as we all know, everyone dies. That doesn't mean that the lives lived before were meaningless.

Everything they did on the island mattered. There was a point. There was a how and why. There was a mystery and the show solved that mystery. Why should - continuing the story past the prime protagonist's death -showing that the characters died while presenting a fun little twist on the afterlife detract from everything else that did happen, and did have purpose?

The FS stuff was just a season long epilogue of sorts. LOST was tv show that wanted a lot of viewers. What tv show doesn't? Isn't that part of the point? And it was just a tv show. But it was a damn good tv show that had a tremendous affect on a lot of people. It was bold. It was thoughtful. It was gripping. It was art and entertainment. It was lovely.

Red Brooklyn · 08-28-2010, 08:00 AM

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This thread is still alive?

Can't keep a good thread down.

**Reaper16** · 08-28-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

But, as we all know, everyone dies. That doesn't mean that the lives lived before were meaningless.

Everything they did on the island mattered. There was a point. There was a how and why. There was a mystery and the show solved that mystery. Why should - continuing the story past the prime protagonist's death -showing that the characters died while presenting a fun little twist on the afterlife detract from everything else that did happen, and did have purpose?

The FS stuff was just a season long epilogue of sorts. LOST was tv show that wanted a lot of viewers. What tv show doesn't? Isn't that part of the point? And it was just a tv show. But it was a damn good tv show that had a tremendous affect on a lot of people. It was bold. It was thoughtful. It was gripping. It was art and entertainment. It was lovely.

What you call a "fun twist on the afterlife" I call a boring, unnecessary, meaningless slog for an entire season just so it could be all "plot twist; they's dead right now!" at the end.

Red Brooklyn · 08-28-2010, 01:17 PM

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What you call a "fun twist on the afterlife" I call a boring, unnecessary, meaningless slog for an entire season just so it could be all "plot twist; they's dead right now!" at the end.

I won't hold that against you.

**Baby Lee** · 08-28-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

But, as we all know, everyone dies. That doesn't mean that the lives lived before were meaningless.

Everything they did on the island mattered. There was a point. There was a how and why. There was a mystery and the show solved that mystery. Why should - continuing the story past the prime protagonist's death -showing that the characters died while presenting a fun little twist on the afterlife detract from everything else that did happen, and did have purpose?

The FS stuff was just a season long epilogue of sorts. LOST was tv show that wanted a lot of viewers. What tv show doesn't? Isn't that part of the point? And it was just a tv show. But it was a damn good tv show that had a tremendous affect on a lot of people. It was bold. It was thoughtful. It was gripping. It was art and entertainment. It was lovely.

Let me try another tact, what if, when we come to the end of Stephen Hawking's life we gain the insight [or had at the end of Einstein's], that 'you know that stuff they spent their life pondering, forget it all, what they were studying was in fact a primal magic that needn't concern you, what you should focus on is the story of the person they became as they studied, because that's all that really matters.'

IMO, that's the story of Lost.

Red Brooklyn · 08-29-2010, 08:06 AM

I guess our difference is that I don't really have a problem with that. Though, your take is a little over simplified, perhaps, it is not inaccurate. For me the show began and ended with a focus on the story of the person each became as they studied. Because that is all that really matters. That's what the show was about.

keg in kc · 07-23-2011, 08:52 AM

Holy crap, they weren't making it all up. Lost season 1 lost scene:

**Reaper16** · 07-23-2011, 12:19 PM

Sure, be all self-deprecating after the fact, showrunners. Nice attempt at saving face. Not.

Also, MIB shouldn't be embarrassed over the name Barry. It's a perfectly good name. Maybe even the best name.

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Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8151398	But, as we all know, everyone dies. That doesn't mean that the lives lived before were meaningless. Everything they did on the island mattered. There was a point. There was a how and why. There was a mystery and the show solved that mystery. Why should - continuing the story past the prime protagonist's death -showing that the characters died while presenting a fun little twist on the afterlife detract from everything else that did happen, and did have purpose? The FS stuff was just a season long epilogue of sorts. LOST was tv show that wanted a lot of viewers. What tv show doesn't? Isn't that part of the point? And it was just a tv show. But it was a damn good tv show that had a tremendous affect on a lot of people. It was bold. It was thoughtful. It was gripping. It was art and entertainment. It was lovely.
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Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8151398	I guess our difference is that I don't really have a problem with that. Though, your take is a little over simplified, perhaps, it is not inaccurate. For me the show began and ended with a focus on the story of the person each became as they studied. Because that is all that really matters. That's what the show was about.
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