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Old 03-23-2009, 08:44 PM  
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:45 PM   #3451
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I never said walt was calculated in the desert. He was desperately trying to keep Hank alive. Once Flynn called the police, I think the gears in his head started working.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:46 PM   #3452
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I just love how calculated walt is. Taking Holly, the phone call and then giving Holly to the FD. Not mentioning the Nazis. All to save his family.
I think he probably stormed out and took Holly in anger, then later came to his senses a bit.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:47 PM   #3453
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Exactly. Cunning≠calculated.

I just don't see how this show can sell Walt rescuing Jesse, figuring that Walt nodded approval for his execution, and only once he was aware that Jesse wouldnt' die that day, then threw salt on the wound by telling him about Jane. When he did that, I got really upset, and I'm almost never the type to react emotionally to a TV show. What a great scene and episode.
Pointing out Jesse's location out to the AB was amazing. Vince made it look like Walt saw Jesse and was going to let the AB leave, possibly allowing Walt and Jesse to team up again and take down the AB together later... it seemed like so much was possible there... then he just straight up pointed him out. Cold blooded.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:49 PM   #3454
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I never said walt was calculated in the desert. He was desperately trying to keep Hank alive. Once Flynn called the police, I think the gears in his head started working.
Walt has never been calculated anywhere outside of about two scenes in the entire series. He acts upon ego and impulse.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:55 PM   #3455
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I think he probably stormed out and took Holly in anger, then later came to his senses a bit.
Yeah, not sure why people are using the Holly kidnapping to actually vouch for Walt's character. Beginning of the scene where he's changing Holly's diapers, seems pretty clear to me that Walt was planning to keep her. Talking about getting her a car seat. His tone changes when Holly starts saying "mama."
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:57 PM   #3456
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Pointing out Jesse's location out to the AB was amazing. Vince made it look like Walt saw Jesse and was going to let the AB leave, possibly allowing Walt and Jesse to team up again and take down the AB together later... it seemed like so much was possible there... then he just straight up pointed him out. Cold blooded.
That scene was a total mind****, and it didn't help that we were given about an entire minute to consider Walt's action after it was pretty heavily suggested that he saw Jesse under the Chrysler. To have that consideration, "holy shit, he's going to save Jesse" and to then realize that nothing of the sort was going to happen? That was crazy.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #3457
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Yeah, not sure why people are using the Holly kidnapping to actually vouch for Walt's character. Beginning of the scene where he's changing Holly's diapers, seems pretty clear to me that Walt was planning to keep her. Talking about getting her a car seat. His tone changes when Holly starts saying "mama."
My wife thought she was quoting ABC's Dinosaurs, saying "NOT DA MAMA"
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #3458
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Yeah, not sure why people are using the Holly kidnapping to actually vouch for Walt's character. Beginning of the scene where he's changing Holly's diapers, seems pretty clear to me that Walt was planning to keep her. Talking about getting her a car seat. His tone changes when Holly starts saying "mama."
I don't think anyone is saying Holly's kidnapping itself is him striving toward redemption. His giving her up at the fire station as well as clearing Skyler from accusations of being involved in his criminal activities are, though.

As I said, getting into a knife fight with Skyler, kidnapping his baby, and screeching off in the truck was his breaking point. As you pointed out, the scene in the bathroom as Holly cries for "mama" is the point where he seems to become cognizant of his wrongdoing and try to right it.
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Best episode ever of a TV show.

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Well, Walt has cleaned the slate for Skyler and the rest of the family.

Pretty smart.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:04 PM   #3461
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I don't think anyone is saying Holly's kidnapping itself is him striving toward redemption. His giving her up at the fire station as well as clearing Skyler from accusations of being involved in his criminal activities are, though.

As I said, getting into a knife fight with Skyler, kidnapping his baby, and screeching off in the truck was his breaking point. As you pointed out, the scene in the bathroom as Holly cries for "mama" is the point where he seems to become cognizant of his wrongdoing and try to right it.
I agree with you and about the point that he will spend the final episodes trying to redeem himself. I think we both agree that what he did up to that bathroom scene wasn't calculated. It was impulsive and actually a dick thing to do.
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Jesse could really wreak some havoc in that meth lab. He's no Walt, but he might know what to mix to cause an explosion, throw some shit in Todd's face, etc. He'll probably get himself free, or at least have a last confrontation with Walt.
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