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Old 09-19-2015, 09:34 PM  
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Jeremiah Trotter thinks Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of games

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Jeremiah Trotter played a total of seven seasons for Andy Reid in three different stints with the Eagles. And he thinks he lost a lot of games because Reid got out-coached.

“If it came down to both teams were even, talent-wise,*I think the opponent’s team would win if it came down to coaching,” Trotter said on 97.5 The Fanatic, via Philly.com. “Andy Reid got out-coached in a lot of games, man, a lot of big games,” Trotter continued. “Time outs, running the football, you know.”

Trotter said Reid’s offensive style made things different for the defense and the late defensive coordinator Jim Johnson, who ran the defense in Philadelphia until his death in 2008.

“As a defense, we understood we passed the ball too much. You know, there’s times we’re sitting over there like, ‘Man, listen. Just get us a couple of first downs so we can get a break.’ And I’m sure it frustrated Jim Johnson also,” Trotter said

Still, Trotter acknowledges that he won a lot of games during his time with Reid, and he says he would have given Reid a 7.5 or 8 on a scale of 1-10. I shudder to think what he’d say about a coach who was a 1.
Good coaches don't get out coached in a lot of games.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:27 PM   #31
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OR -

I don't know, ask him.

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For the money.

OR -

Because he flamed out everywhere else he went.

There's a lot of reasons.

You would just have to have a cognitive process to put that together, Dane.
Of which, you have zero.

If Trotter had no faith in Reid, he would have signed elsewhere.

How ****ing dumb are you, exactly?
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:32 PM   #32
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To the point, though, Trotter succeeded in Johnson's system.

He didn't go back because of Andy.
Yeah, I agree... but Reid was basically the GM in Philadelphia. He had the final say in how all of those teams were built. And Trotter re-signed with them twice.

I'm just as critical of Andy as anyone. I said from the very beginning he's terrible at clock management and too pass happy. And he hasn't changed in 15 years. I still maintain that if they dumped Alex Smith tomorrow, everyone would rejoice but Andy would want another QB who excels in the short passing game. That's his thing.

But, this idea that he's outcoached in pretty much every game (the premise of this thread) is being way overdramatic. The guy has some major flaws but he's a top 10 coach. He's only had like 2 or 3 losing seasons in almost two decades or work, numerous playoff wins and deep playoff runs. You'd only find a handful of guys with a better resume, and that means something because Reid has pretty much built every team he's coached.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:37 PM   #33
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Yeah, I agree... but Reid was basically the GM in Philadelphia. He had the final say in how all of those teams were built. And Trotter re-signed with them twice.

I'm just as critical of Andy as anyone. I said from the very beginning he's terrible at clock management and too pass happy. And he hasn't changed in 15 years. I still maintain that if they dumped Alex Smith tomorrow, everyone would rejoice but Andy would want another QB who excels in the short passing game. That's his thing.

But, this idea that he's outcoached in pretty much every game (the premise of this thread) is being way overdramatic. The guy has some major flaws but he's a top 10 coach. He's only had like 2 or 3 losing seasons in almost two decades or work, numerous playoff wins and deep playoff runs. You'd only find a handful of guys with a better resume, and that means something because Reid has pretty much built every team he's coached.
Where do you get "every".

The premise of this thread is that Andy was out coached in a "lot of big games", which is absolutely true.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:44 PM   #34
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Both Trotter and the thread starter said, and I quote, "a lot of games." I took that as more than half, but if not I stand corrected. I agree there were some big moments he shot himself in the foot. I think his redzone playcalling the other night was terrible.

Still, Reid has more playoff wins than the entire Chiefs franchise. He also coached well in a lot of big games too. I don't know how people can argue otherwise. If Reid is a failure to you, there's literally no successful coach besides Belichick.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:47 PM   #35
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Good coaches don't get out coached in a lot of games.
Either the game is fixed like professional wrestling, or Reid is a bad coach. You can't claim both. Make up your ****ing mind.

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Old 09-19-2015, 11:20 PM   #36
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Of which, you have zero.

If Trotter had no faith in Reid, he would have signed elsewhere.

How ****ing dumb are you, exactly?
He is literally a man standing out in a field.
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Old 09-19-2015, 11:27 PM   #37
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He is literally a man standing out in a field.
Players don't re-sign, again and again, with coaching staffs and organizations in which they think suck.

Assuming that Trotter signed with the Eagles repeatedly because they were his only option completely invalidates his statement.
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Players don't re-sign, again and again, with coaching staffs and organizations in which they think suck.

Assuming that Trotter signed with the Eagles repeatedly because they were his only option completely invalidates his statement.
Jim Johnson is the reason Trotter resigned with Philly.

No one thought Jim Johnson sucked.

In fact, the evidence shows that Jim Johnson was the reason Philly went to 4 straight NFC Championship games.
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Yeah, I agree... but Reid was basically the GM in Philadelphia. He had the final say in how all of those teams were built. And Trotter re-signed with them twice.

I'm just as critical of Andy as anyone. I said from the very beginning he's terrible at clock management and too pass happy. And he hasn't changed in 15 years. I still maintain that if they dumped Alex Smith tomorrow, everyone would rejoice but Andy would want another QB who excels in the short passing game. That's his thing.

But, this idea that he's outcoached in pretty much every game (the premise of this thread) is being way overdramatic. The guy has some major flaws but he's a top 10 coach. He's only had like 2 or 3 losing seasons in almost two decades or work, numerous playoff wins and deep playoff runs. You'd only find a handful of guys with a better resume, and that means something because Reid has pretty much built every team he's coached.
Jeremiah Trotter said what he said for a reason.
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Jeremiah Trotter said what he said for a reason.
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Good coaches get outcoached more than you'd think, but good coaches on good teams can rely on a talent surplus to overcome it.

The talent on the team at crucial spots are dick.

Belichick has been outcoached many a times and is a first ballot HoF coach. He just got lucky because they had more talent than Rex Ryan or the Bills.

I'd focus more on why the **** is Alex Smith still starting and the Offensive Line is still an aids dumpster fire.

You're not going to have the greatest ****ing gameplan every single week in a league filled with a lot of good coaches.
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Because it's what he believes.

This is an interesting read :

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Either the game is fixed like professional wrestling, or Reid is a bad coach.
This is my whole point :

Either he's a terrible coach or he throws games on purpose.

Pick one.
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Jim Johnson is the reason Trotter resigned with Philly.

No one thought Jim Johnson sucked.

In fact, the evidence shows that Jim Johnson was the reason Philly went to 4 straight NFC Championship games.

Evidence shows? What are you, Matlock? What evidence is that?

I agree, Jim Johnson was a great defensive coordinator and the Eagles were not a better team after he died. But they had a top 10 offense most years. They were good teams. You don't have that kind of sustained run without being a good team on every side of the ball. And Reid was the guy who made all the football decisions and hired Jim Johnson in the first place. The excuses this places make for success are ridiculous.
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