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Old 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM  
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2018 STL Cardinals Thread

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
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Matheny fired 07/14/2018




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Old 02-09-2018, 08:37 PM   #106
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Apparently they only spend big on shitty back of rotation guys like leake.
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Old 02-09-2018, 08:45 PM   #107
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Mega deals for starters don’t have a great track record.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:07 AM   #108
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Mega deals for starters don’t have a great track record.
This!

These deals for 30-32 year old pitchers just dont fit us. They never work out. We should not be sacrificing later to win this year. This isn't our year to make a push.

the only one we ever missed out on was Scherzer's contract 7/$210 million. That off season it seemed that we were not hurting for pitching that year but having a local kid back..... missed opportunity.

Next year with Reyes at full speed our minor league pitching maturing, I think combining that with us sign/spending some money for offense, we will be competitive again.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:48 AM   #109
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I dont think either Arrieta or Darvish is looking at a "mega deal."

I think 5 years is probably what they'll get, maybe 6 with an option, and an opt out somewhere in there. Less than a Jon Lester deal.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:06 AM   #110
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Not sure why the Cardinals are so damn loyal to Wainwright and aren't being linked to either Arrieta or Darvish. Maybe they are just holding out for Kershaw next year because the Dodgers are clearly going to let him walk away after he opts out.
It's simple.

Wainwright is a franchise icon. With his production. The last 2 years, really 3, he his production hasn't been that good.

Cardinals FO is perfectly fine with letting him and Yadi right into the sunset, like they would've if the Angels weren't stupid.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:15 AM   #111
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Wainwright is a franchise icon. With his production. The last 2 years, really 3, he his production hasn't been that good.
Understatement of the century. He's been awful. Mike Leake was a better option. Loyal to a fault.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:32 AM   #112
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Understatement of the century. He's been awful. Mike Leake was a better option. Loyal to a fault.
I am not disagreeing.

This can be seen from other teams as well.

Jeter and the Yankees, David Wright and the Mets, Todd Helton and the Rockies.
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I dont think either Arrieta or Darvish is looking at a "mega deal."

I think 5 years is probably what they'll get, maybe 6 with an option, and an opt out somewhere in there. Less than a Jon Lester deal.
thats the problem. That’s not a “reasonable” contract. A team guarantees an aging player in your prime money into their mid 30’s. What pitcher was in their prime in their mid-30’s? And if somehow they have a couple of good years, they can move on to a better contract.

Teams are guaranteeing everything and giving them a no trade clause. There is no cost to the player if it goes bad, only to the team.

Now, this only applies to these 30+ year old players that are wanting long term deals. <30 are still making bank.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:01 PM   #114
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So much for suspecting he may get something more reasonable due to the market. **** that.
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Old 02-10-2018, 03:37 PM   #116
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Actually 6/126
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:02 PM   #117
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For Darvish to reach $150M he would have to earn multiple Cy Young awards. I would say $21M/yr for Darvish when guys like Samardzija are getting 18 is pretty reasonable.

If he does earn that $24M incentive then you really cant argue he wasnt worth the money.
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Actually 6/126
Draftkings Live originally reported 6/150. My bad.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:01 PM   #119
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6/126 actually seems like a decent deal but sounds like they gave an opt out after just 2 seasons.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:30 PM   #120
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6/126 actually seems like a decent deal but sounds like they gave an opt out after just 2 seasons.
Dont see him exercising that opt out unless the Dodgers or Yankees become players for him again, since those teams were his first choice but they didnt want to exceed the luxury cap. I can't imagine him making more money over the next 4 years with a new deal unless he goes ape shit, which I wont complain about.
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