Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

B_Ambuehl · 12-20-2010, 10:40 AM

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

**loochy** · 12-20-2010, 10:42 AM

Dude HELLOOO!! Peter King says he's in the running for MVP. Never question the KING!

chiefsnorth · 12-20-2010, 10:43 AM

Oh, there's no need to flame... This post is gay enough as it is.

**Lzen** · 12-20-2010, 10:43 AM

While its true that Cassel still has a lot to prove, I believe that he has come a long way as a QB. One thing that you can't measure is his leadership. He has really stepped up in that regard this season. He is definitely maturing.

B_Ambuehl · 12-20-2010, 10:46 AM

If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him.

Do you think coaches, players, (and even fans) in our division fear Matt Cassell??

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.

**loochy** · 12-20-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him.

Do you think coaches, players, (and even fans) in our division fear Matt Cassell??

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.

Is he related to this guy?

Brock · 12-20-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.

Link.

**Rausch** · 12-20-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Link.

No $3it.

Micjones · 12-21-2010, 01:15 AM

Sure, lining up against Seattle/Arizona is a recipe for plug-and-play QB success.
Ask the following:

[vs. SEA]
1. Phillip Rivers, 55% completion percentage, 2 picks, 80 QB Rating (SD Loss)
2. Jay Cutler, 44% completion percentage, 0 TD's, 69 QB Rating (CHI Loss)

[vs. ARI]
1. Drew Brees, more INT's than TD's (NO Loss)
2. Kyle Orton, under 50% completion percentage, 0 TD's 3 picks (DEN Loss)

Don't give Cassel any credit. Forget his season statistics while you're at it.
Higher SEASON QB Rating than:
Both Mannings, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Orton, Schaub and Garrard.
Still not good enough. Brilliant...

RippedmyFlesh · 12-21-2010, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Sure, lining up against Seattle/Arizona is a recipe for plug-and-play QB success.
Ask the following:

[vs. SEA]
1. Phillip Rivers, 55% completion percentage, 2 picks, 80 QB Rating (SD Loss)
2. Jay Cutler, 44% completion percentage, 0 TD's, 69 QB Rating (CHI Loss)

[vs. ARI]
1. Drew Brees, more INT's than TD's (NO Loss)
2. Kyle Orton, under 50% completion percentage, 0 TD's 3 picks (DEN Loss)

Don't give Cassel any credit. Forget his season statistics while you're at it.
Higher SEASON QB Rating than:
Both Mannings, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Orton, Schaub and Garrard.
Still not good enough. Brilliant...

After dropping an appendix and winning a regular season game maybe donating a kidney before a playoff win will be enough.

T-post Tom · 12-20-2010, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him.

Do you think coaches, players, (and even fans) in our division fear Matt Cassell??

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.

Norv Turner? Norv "f'ng" Turner? And not even a direct quote? That's the best you got?

Hootie · 12-20-2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible.

link?

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-21-2010, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him.

Using your logic, let's find out what the CP community thinks of you....Lets really get a 'true measure' of your value here...

Howsa bout I start?

You make me want to take a shit on your keyboard and then force you to type an apology letter to every single person who clicked on this thread. Not a solid, well formed shit you would be like happy with after it is done. One of those shits that doesn't smell right and is about half liquid and half solid and you aren't completely satisfied when its over.

**Rausch** · 12-20-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen

While its true that Cassel still has a lot to prove, I believe that he has come a long way as a QB. One thing that you can't measure is his leadership. He has really stepped up in that regard this season. He is definitely maturing.

1/2 way through the season I didn't see $3it to make me think he'd make a Green-like turn around.

Well, in only year two, with MUCH less starting experience and a much worse offensive line, Casshole put up better numbers than Green.

I shouldn't say that I do believe but the last 5 or 6 games he's given us reason to believe...

R Clark · 12-20-2010, 10:44 AM

check out the drops

12-20-2010, 10:40 AM	Topic Starter
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Did you over-react to the work of Casshole? Against Seattle and Arizona? From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find: Denver: 17-31 196 1-0 St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1 That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him. When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him. The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle. At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that. "But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player. Flame away.
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12-20-2010, 10:42 AM	#2
loochy Hey Loochy, I'm hooome! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire Casino cash: $2260752	Dude HELLOOO!! Peter King says he's in the running for MVP. Never question the KING! __________________ Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome!
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12-20-2010, 10:43 AM	#3
chiefsnorth Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	Oh, there's no need to flame... This post is gay enough as it is.
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12-20-2010, 10:43 AM	#4
Lzen Supporter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Jan Quadrant Vincent 16 Casino cash: $2340692	While its true that Cassel still has a lot to prove, I believe that he has come a long way as a QB. One thing that you can't measure is his leadership. He has really stepped up in that regard this season. He is definitely maturing. __________________ If at first you don't succeed ...skydiving is not for you.
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12-20-2010, 10:46 AM	#5
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	If you really want a true measure of how good a player is just ask people that have to compete against him. Do you think coaches, players, (and even fans) in our division fear Matt Cassell?? I've heard Norv talk about Cassell and this offense and there was no question he hopes KC keeps Cassell as long as possible. __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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12-21-2010, 01:15 AM	#9
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	Sure, lining up against Seattle/Arizona is a recipe for plug-and-play QB success. Ask the following: [vs. SEA] 1. Phillip Rivers, 55% completion percentage, 2 picks, 80 QB Rating (SD Loss) 2. Jay Cutler, 44% completion percentage, 0 TD's, 69 QB Rating (CHI Loss) [vs. ARI] 1. Drew Brees, more INT's than TD's (NO Loss) 2. Kyle Orton, under 50% completion percentage, 0 TD's 3 picks (DEN Loss) Don't give Cassel any credit. Forget his season statistics while you're at it. Higher SEASON QB Rating than: Both Mannings, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco, Orton, Schaub and Garrard. Still not good enough. Brilliant... __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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12-20-2010, 10:44 AM	#15
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