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Old 11-03-2017, 01:51 PM  
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US Government Releases Climate Science Special Report (NCA4)

"No convincing alternative explanation."

Massive Government Report Says Climate Is Warming And Humans Are The Cause

It is "extremely likely" that human activities are the "dominant cause" of global warming, according to the most comprehensive study ever of climate science by U.S. government researchers.

The climate report, obtained by NPR, notes that the past 115 years are "the warmest in the history of modern civilization." The global average temperature has increased by about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit over that period. Greenhouse gases from industry and agriculture are by far the biggest contributor to warming.

The findings contradict statements by President Trump and many of his Cabinet members, who have openly questioned the role humans play in changing the climate.

"I believe that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do," EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said in an interview earlier this year. "There's tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact."

That is not consistent with the conclusions of the 600-plus-page Climate Science Special Report, which is part of an even larger scientific review known as the fourth National Climate Assessment. The NCA4, as it's known, is the nation's most authoritative assessment of climate science. The report's authors include experts from leading scientific agencies, including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA and the Department of Energy, as well as academic scientists.

The report states that the global climate will continue to warm. How much, it says, "will depend primarily on the amount of greenhouse gases (especially carbon dioxide) emitted globally." Without major reductions in emissions, it says, the increase in annual average global temperature could reach 9 degrees Fahrenheit relative to pre-industrial times. Efforts to reduce emissions, it says, would slow the rate of warming.

"This is good, solid climate science," says Richard Alley, a geoscientist at Penn State University, who says he made minor contributions to the report's conclusions on sea level rise. "This has been reviewed so many times in so many ways, and it's taking what we know from ... a couple of centuries of climate science and applying it to the U.S."

The assessments are required by an act of Congress; the last one was published in 2014. Alley says this year's goes further in attributing changes in weather to the warming climate, especially weather extremes. "More heat waves and fewer cold snaps, this is very clear," he says. The report also notes that warmer temperatures have contributed to the rise in forest fires in the West and that the incidence of those fires is expected to keep rising.

Some of the clearest effects involve sea level rise. "Coastal flooding, you raise the mean level of the ocean, everything else equal you get more coastal flooding," Alley says. The report notes that sea level has risen 7 to 8 inches since 1900, and 3 inches of that occurred since 1993. The report says that rate is faster than during any century over the past 2,800 years.

The report also points out that heavy rainfall is increasing in intensity and frequency across the U.S., especially in the Northeast, and that is expected to keep increasing.

Other connections are harder to nail down, Alley says, such as whether a particular hurricane can be attributed to climate change.

"The Climate Science Special Report is like going to a doctor and being given a report on your vital signs," says environmental scientist Rachel Licker of the Union of Concerned Scientists. She notes that the authors assessed more than 1,500 scientific studies and reports in making their conclusions.

Alley adds that the new report "does a better job of seeing the human fingerprint in what's happening." He says that while he hasn't read all of it yet, he sees no evidence that it has been soft-pedaled or understates the certainty of the science.

Alley notes that "there's a little rumbling" among climate scientists who are concerned that the Trump administration will ignore this effort. "I think the authors really are interested in seeing [the report] used wisely by policymakers to help the economy as well as the environment."

The report has been submitted to the Office of Science and Technology Policy at the White House. Trump has yet to choose anyone to run that office; it remains one of the last unfilled senior positions in the White House staff.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:30 AM   #61
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Can you name anything else the government has a hand in that actually works right?
You literally posted this on the mother****ing Internet. Think about that for a second, then kill yourself.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:36 AM   #62
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The part you are not going to convince many of us on is the MAN MADE part. I have no idea if the Earth is in a natural period of warming or cooling at the present point, but I know the Earth throughout history does this.

What I likely will never be convinced of is that sending MORE of my money to the government is gonna "save the great mother Earth". If man made climate change were real, it would need handled by a private business/entity anyway. Can you name anything else the government has a hand in that actually works right?
No offense, but convincing you is irrelevant. For the same reason that NASA didn't call you up and make sure you understood the physics of remotely parachuting a nuclear robot onto Mars from 34 million miles away. Which the government had a hand in that actually worked. Or maybe something like cancer and other medical research? Would you refuse your neurosurgeon's advice because he previously got a government grant to study something in his particular field? No, of course you wouldn't.

Man made climate change is real. This is the largest US climate change study ever undertaken, and it confirms that in about every way possible. "No convincing alternative explanation." You cannot simply wave that away as being meaningless.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:38 AM   #63
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No offense, but convincing you is irrelevant. For the same reason that NASA didn't call you up and make sure you understood the physics of remotely parachuting a nuclear robot onto Mars from 34 million miles away. Which the government had a hand in that actually worked. Or maybe something like cancer and other medical research? Would you refuse your neurosurgeon's advice because he previously got a government grant to study something in his particular field? No, of course you wouldn't.

Man made climate change is real. This is the largest US climate change study ever undertaken, and it confirms that in about every way possible. "No convincing alternative explanation." You cannot simply wave that away as being meaningless.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:39 AM   #64
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You cannot simply wave that away as being meaningless.
You can when you're inured to anti-intellectualism and Supply-Side Jesus.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:39 AM   #65
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You literally posted this on the mother****ing Internet. Think about that for a second, then kill yourself.
But wait, Oaklandhater is constantly posting how the government is screwing up the internet. Which way is it? Somethings gotta give, right?

And kill myself, you wouldn't want that. I'm a conservative who works and pays taxes so the liberals can live off the government. You are biting off the hand that feeds you (or at least your side)
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I'm trying really hard to get worried about a rise of 1.8F over the last 115 years, but I'm failing.
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But wait, Oaklandhater is constantly posting how the government is screwing up the internet. Which way is it? Somethings gotta give, right?

And kill myself, you wouldn't want that. I'm a conservative who works and pays taxes so the liberals can live off the government. You are biting off the hand that feeds you (or at least your side)
Who do you think developed the architecture for the thing your bitching about them on right now?

For the especially ironic cherry on the stupid sundae, oaklandhater complaining about Net Neutrality is an argument that telecoms, which are decidedly non-government entities, will **** up the Internet if the government allows them to. That is, the government protections for things like net neutrality is what allows the open access to the Internet to function as well as it does.

So, good job on your score of 0%.
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So this is thirteen different federal agencies employing hundreds of scientists combing through more than 1500 peer reviewed research papers to produce a massive nationwide and also peer-reviewed report covering every angle that just so happens to agree with what international organizations from even our worst enemy nations have been saying for years now, and you guys still don't entertain the possibility that maybe just maybe there's some truth to it? Seriously, what would it take to get just a 'maybe'?

If only there was a climate engineer here we could ask, someone with a genuine Ph.D. in the subject ... oh, that's right, there was, but he hasn't been around in months. I wonder why.
A significant rise in temperature would be a good start.
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I'm trying really hard to get worried about a rise of 1.8F over the last 115 years, but I'm failing.
Translation we're all going to die! Give us your money and we'll do a rain dance and scare away the bad stuff.

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I don't understand the need to STILL disagree that the Earth is warming. Instead of just bury your head in the sand, just don't don't give a shit about it. I acknowledge global warming, and I don't give a shit about it. In fact, I'm a fan of global warming. It's not going to be a big issue until I'm dead and gone. Lets keep pumping those CFCs and using up that cheap fossil fuel baby.
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You literally posted this on the mother****ing Internet. Think about that for a second, then kill yourself.
[Typing on a handheld wireless device that has access to the majority of all the knowledge accumulated in the history of man, containing multiple technologies developed by multiple government funded entities, accessing satellites put into space by NASA]

"I don't trust these shady scientist types..."
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Translation we're all going to die! Give us your money and we'll do a rain dance and scare away the bad stuff.

/tribalism rinse and repeat
So, you think it's the scientific panels promoting tribalism and junk science here?
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I probably would, if any of them had accurately predicted the slowdown.
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I don't understand the need to STILL disagree that the Earth is warming. Instead of just bury your head in the sand, just don't don't give a shit about it. I acknowledge global warming, and I don't give a shit about it. In fact, I'm a fan of global warming. It's not going to be a big issue until I'm dead and gone. Lets keep pumping those CFCs and using up that cheap fossil fuel baby.
Like I said I would love and welcome the medieval warm period but it's not coming through that door.
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