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... maybe the Marines decided that the CET was an antiquated tool that was no longer needed to evaluate the ability to lead.
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http://dacowits.defense.gov/Portals/...-09-161544-600
Truth is in the middle here. The endurance test has been a target for DACOWITS and their agenda but it is not the sole reason for the high female failure rate. It is also questionable how much it directly ties to infantry skills. It does directly tie to evaluating leadership but that is subjective so makes the test a political target and opens it to criticism as to fairness. The male failure rate is also very high. Most of the female failure rate has been due to repetitive injuries that we see in other physically demanding training with women-spiral fractures, hips, knees. |
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![]() Tell that to the Marines fighting for their lives after a forced march led by a sub-standard 0302 (male or female) that only made the grade because of lower standards induced by the PC crowd's perception of "inclusion".
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The problem here is that the standard at issue might or might not be important to battle effectiveness. The story doesn't give the slightest clue. And it is certainly within the realm of possibility that some traditional standards aren't that indicative of effectiveness--we are unlikely to decide any wars based on pull-ups.
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I wouldn't want to go in to combat unless I was able to complete the rigorous standards. Sounds like a recipe for getting you and your buddies asses kicked.
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Yet another empty macho statement without a word (or apparently a thought) about what standard we are even talking about, what it was, what it has been lowered to, or how that might relate to combat effectiveness.
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It's the military, the other side isn't going to make it less challenging for you because of your gender. If there are physical endurance requirements and you are able to meet them, you're in. If not, work harder and better luck next time.
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They are in place for a reason. Everyone has a ruck that weighs the same and has the same items in it. It doesn't weight less because you weigh less. You don't have a smaller weapon because you are a smaller person. You have to haul that gear as effectively as the next person or you slow everyone up which means you expose the other soldiers to more danger. It doesn't matter if you're a woman that can't meet the standard or if you're some small guy that can't meet the standard or some overweight guy that can't meet the standard. It's in place to make sure everyone maintains effectiveness. It's as simple as that.
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As a former infantryman (Army) who's seen combat, I can tell you that physical and mental endurance is the difference between life and death in a firefight. If EVERY person doesn't do their job or pull their weight for the entirety of the mission someone who shouldn't die will die.
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Lot of smack talk by guys I’m guessing don’t know the square root of jack shit about “combat effectiveness.” I recommend you stick to the what’s for dinner thread.
The changes were made in November to better reflect requirements of Marine infantry officers as outlined in the Infantry Training and Readiness Manual and actual operating force requirements. “As a result, the Combat Endurance Test (CET) reverted back to its original intent, prior to 2012, as an assessment tool to measure the retention of knowledge, skills and fitness achieved at the Basic Officer Course (BOC).” Training Command said in a statement. The CET has not always been a direct indicator of success in the infantry course. Many women have been dropped dropped after failing to keep up on approach-marches, defined as “the load necessary for the prosecution of combat operations for extended periods with access to daily resupply.” According to the infantry manual, a Marine infantry officer must be able to lead a forced march of 15 kilometers with 105 lbs., or approach-march load, in under three hours. |
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You've been schooled on the subject. Why embarrass yourself any more?
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