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Old 02-12-2018, 04:19 AM  
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What happened to ‘combat standards won’t be lowered’?

The Senate’s latest deal to increase military spending may be more like funding the Titanic.



Trump is president, but the “Dempsey Rule” is still in full effect for today’s American military. The rule is named for a statement by Obama’s chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, during the 2013 announcement that all combat jobs would be opened to women. It states that standards so high that women can’t make them will go the way of the dodo bird. “Do they really have to be that high?” he asked. They do if you want to defeat your enemies with as few casualties as possible. The Marine Corps is now answering “no” to this question by removing the Combat Endurance Test (CET) as a requirement to pass the Infantry Officer’s Course (IOC).

The CET has been under fire and scrutiny from the Left because almost no women have been able to pass it, crushing the myth that women can do anything military men can do if only given the chance. If that were so, there would be no need to remove the CET or “re-evaluate,” as Dempsey put it, any current operational standards. Challenging tests and standards are useful for training because they are as close as the military can come to replicating the stresses and rigors of real combat. Men have always been able to pass these tests and meet these standards. Women? Not so much. Without the CET, more women can take places leading infantry platoons in direct ground combat, whether they’re capable of doing so or not. The CET was an obstacle to the arch-feminist goal of equal numbers, no matter the consequences. Those consequences will be the needless loss of the lives and limbs of America’s sons and daughters now to be led by less competent and physically less capable officers.

Activists for putting women in combat units swore up and down that performance standards wouldn’t be lowered, that all they wanted was a “level playing field” and “a chance to try.” That these were empty platitudes was as easy to predict as the rising of the sun. Feminists have issued them every time they’ve pushed for more military jobs to be opened to women. They gave us double standards and lowered standards and have redefined combat to conflate “being in harm’s way” with hunting the enemy. They don’t care so much about our ability to effectively fight our enemies as they do about getting a chairwoman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, period. It is surprising and disappointing that this should occur when Trump promised during his campaign to “make our military great again.” It’s happening with nary a peep from the Republican Congress and on the watch of Secretary of Defense James Mattis, formerly a general in the Corps himself.

The Marine Corps Times downplays this huge lowering of standards, laughably calling it a “slight change.” When failing one of the hardest tests in the military no longer matters, something big has changed, and not for the better. “The Corps also says the changes were not a result of high attrition rates,” the Times reports, reporting that Training Command said, “The average attrition rate for the CET between 2012 and 2017 was less than three percent” and down to one percent in 2017.

The armed services constantly complain about the decline in quality recruits and use it as justification for pulling from broader pools, including, as reported by USA Today, those with mental illness. In this climate, lower rates of test failure and attrition are a good indicator that standards are being lowered and then lowered some more.

The Senate’s latest deal to increase military spending may be more like funding the Titanic. What good are more dollars when they’re being used for less demanding training and militarily irrelevant programs like sex-change surgery? If our military won’t “weed out” the less capable during formative training, our enemies surely will.

Editor’s note: This piece has been updated to note that the CET is still included in the Infantry Officer’s Course, but that trainees are not required to pass it in order to pass the course. It has also been updated to include James Mattis’ former rank in the U.S. Marine Corps.

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/happened-combat-standards-wont-lowered/
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:48 PM   #16
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Apparently the marines are allowing ladies to carry curling irons instead of weapons, because the weapons are too heavy. I am against that.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:51 AM   #17
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This article is just an opinion piece to bash liberals and women.

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The CET has been under fire and scrutiny from the Left...
If they're changing standards due to pressure from the left, then that would be a bad thing, but the author gives no proof and it looks like he didn't interview anyone in charge. There' s no description of the CET nor an explanation why it is so important to evaluating combat readiness. He had his own agenda and wrote an article to reflect that.

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The Marine Corps Times downplays this huge lowering of standards, laughably calling it a “slight change.” When failing one of the hardest tests in the military no longer matters, something big has changed, and not for the better. “The Corps also says the changes were not a result of high attrition rates,” the Times reports, reporting that Training Command said, “The average attrition rate for the CET between 2012 and 2017 was less than three percent” and down to one percent in 2017.
Why would the author choose to cite a liberal rag like The Marine Corp Times? Who knows, and he discounts their opinions anyway.

Standards change all the time. Eliminating the CET isn't proof that they are lowered.
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:23 PM   #18
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Lot of smack talk by guys I’m guessing don’t know the square root of jack shit about “combat effectiveness.” I recommend you stick to the what’s for dinner thread.
The changes were made in November to better reflect requirements of Marine infantry officers as outlined in the Infantry Training and Readiness Manual and actual operating force requirements.
“As a result, the Combat Endurance Test (CET) reverted back to its original intent, prior to 2012, as an assessment tool to measure the retention of knowledge, skills and fitness achieved at the Basic Officer Course (BOC).” Training Command said in a statement.
The CET has not always been a direct indicator of success in the infantry course. Many women have been dropped dropped after failing to keep up on approach-marches, defined as “the load necessary for the prosecution of combat operations for extended periods with access to daily resupply.” According to the infantry manual, a Marine infantry officer must be able to lead a forced march of 15 kilometers with 105 lbs., or approach-march load, in under three hours.
What are your thoughts on having women Infantry Officers? My initial thought is its a terrible idea and wouldn't work very well but I've been out for about 25 years.
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What are your thoughts on having women Infantry Officers? My initial thought is its a terrible idea and wouldn't work very well but I've been out for about 25 years.
In the history of warfare there are few examples of women in combat and particularly leading infantry. The few modern examples, (Russia in WWII and Israel) involve survival of their state and defensive operations. Our case is very strategically and operationally different as we are the asymmetrical offensive threat on this planet. This allows the security and flexibility for us to try such things without the necessity of it. James Webb’s evolution is a pretty good though political generational guide:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/jim-we...-and-sexuality
The American unfairness of meeting legitimate standards and being denied bothers me. But so does the unfairness of combat (never fight fair) and the burden of American deaths due to any social agendas that could have been avoided. It is so dependent on the individual and there are very few women that can make the cut that I really think for infantry it will be a rare few and that the units can deal with it but she will be tested every minute.
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It's the military, the other side isn't going to make it less challenging for you because of your gender. If there are physical endurance requirements and you are able to meet them, you're in. If not, work harder and better luck next time.
It will take time but we'll slowly get back to that point...
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I wouldn't want to go in to combat unless I was able to complete the rigorous standards. Sounds like a recipe for getting you and your buddies asses kicked.
That's kind of how I feel when I see a fat cop on the streets. I'm like "There's no way I'd be that out of shape when my life might depend on my physical endurance".
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That's kind of how I feel when I see a fat cop on the streets. I'm like "There's no way I'd be that out of shape when my life might depend on my physical endurance".
Everyone's life and wellbeing depends on not being fat. People make irrational choices about food consumption.
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