Home Mail Chat Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > Washington DC and The Holy Land

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-13-2018, 04:26 PM  
Donger Donger is offline
"Think BOOM!"
 
Donger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W
Casino cash: $0
VARSITY
Trump pitches plan to replace food stamps with food boxes

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...tration-343245

The Trump administration is proposing to save billions in the coming years by giving low-income families a box of government-picked, nonperishable foods every month instead of food stamps.

White House OMB Director Mick Mulvaney on Monday hailed the idea as one that kept up with the modern era, calling it a "Blue Apron-type program" — a nod to the high-end meal kit delivery company that had one of the worst stock debuts in 2017 and has struggled to hold onto customers. Mulvaney said the administration’s plan would not only save the government money, but also provide people with more nutritious food than they have now.

The proposal, buried in the White House’s fiscal 2019 budget, would replace about half of the money most families receive via the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps, with what the Department of Agriculture is calling “America’s Harvest Box.” That package would be made up of "100 percent U.S. grown and produced food" and would include items like shelf-stable milk, peanut butter, canned fruits and meats, and cereal.

But America’s Harvest Box, which USDA contends would save over $129 billion over 10 years, is not very comparable to startup meal-delivery companies like Blue Apron. For one, the Trump administration’s proposal doesn’t include fresh items, like produce or meat, which are the core of Blue Apron and its competitors. Such products perish quickly and are incredibly expensive to ship.

Asked about how delivery would work, USDA spokesman Tim Murtaugh clarified that states would “have flexibility” in how they choose to distribute the food to SNAP recipients. In other words, the federal government almost certainly would not be picking up the tab for any type of Amazon-style delivery system. “The projected savings does not include shipping door-to-door for all recipients,” Murtaugh said.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue praised the harvest box plan as “a bold, innovative approach” that would give SNAP participants the same “level of food value” as the current system while saving taxpayers money.

The idea that USDA would provide millions of low-income people packages of food on a national scale has not been floated by conservative think tanks, promoted by industry, or sought by previous administrations. Murtaugh said the concept was developed internally at USDA. Mulvaney on Monday credited Perdue for it during a briefing at the White House.

"Secretary Perdue wanted to give it a chance," he said. "We thought it was a tremendous idea."

Numerous questions remain, such as how these boxes would be customized for, say, a family that has a child with nut allergies — or for those who don't eat certain types of meat out of religious or personal reasons. The proposal was so out of left field that some anti-hunger advocates initially thought it was a joke.

Kevin Concannon, who oversaw SNAP during the Obama administration, was aghast when he saw the proposal.

“Holy mackerel," said Concannon, who said it reminded him of when poor people had to line up and wait for local officials to dole out food and other welfare benefits. "I don’t know where this came from, but I suspect that the folks when they were drawing it up were also watching silent movies.”

Other anti-hunger advocates said the concept was reminiscent of wartime rations or soup lines during the Great Depression. The Food Research and Action Center, a prominent nonprofit group, called the harvest box idea “a Rube-Goldberg designed system” that would be “costly, inefficient, stigmatizing, and prone to failure.”

In budget materials, USDA said it would be able to deliver this food at "approximately half the retail cost," a claim advocates found hard to believe. Food-stamp recipients would get their remaining monthly allotment on debit cards that they can use in grocery stores, as they do now. The proposal applies to households receiving at least $90 a month in benefits, which covers more than 80 percent of SNAP recipients. That’s more than 16 million households.

“This proposal focuses on ensuring that all SNAP recipients receive the nutritious food they need at substantial savings by harnessing USDA’s purchasing power and America’s agricultural abundance,” Murtaugh told POLITICO.

Grocery retailers also balked at the proposal, including the Food Marketing Institute — which represents major retailers like Walmart, Kroger and Albertsons, where tens of billions of dollars in SNAP benefits are spent each year. The industry argues that government-packed food boxes would simply be inefficient.

Jennifer Hatcher, the trade group's chief public policy officer, said grocery retailers had worked with USDA and Congress over many years to “achieve a national system, utilizing existing commercial infrastructure and technology to achieve the greatest efficiency, availability and lowest cost."

"As we understand the proposal in the president's budget to create a USDA commodity foods box of staples, each of these achievements would be lost,” Hatcher said. "Perhaps this proposal would save money in one account, but based on our decades of experience in the program, it would increase costs in other areas that would negate any savings.”

Administration officials pointed out that USDA already distributes commodities. Currently, such food items are largely shipped to schools, food banks and other organizations — which in turn distribute the food to those who need it. The Commodity Supplemental Food Program, for example, sends boxes of food to some 600,000 low-income elderly with the help of food banks and other nonprofits. The fiscal 2019 budget seeks to eliminate that program and combine it with the harvest box program.

However, a plan for SNAP recipients would be an exponentially larger undertaking, covering more than 16 million households. While grocery and meal-delivery companies are growing more common, their scale is still relatively small and largely confined to urban areas. Blue Apron, for example, has around 1 million customers.

There are also questions about how the government would get harvest boxes to rural and remote households and whether cutting SNAP benefits spent in stores would hurt mom-and-pop stores in small communities.

“This action would not only destabilize attempts to bring more healthy, fresh foods into the homes of America’s food insecure, but would keep dollars out of local grocery stores and farmers markets, which are critical assets to all communities,” said Jordan Rasmussen, a policy associate at the Center for Rural Affairs, a progressive rural advocacy group.

Concannon, who retired from USDA at the end of the Obama administration, noted that it would ultimately be up to Congress on whether to fund such a proposal — something he said that lawmakers on Capitol Hill weren’t likely to be even remotely interested in creating.

“Even the people who put this forward have to know that the chances of this happening is the same chance of me captaining the next spaceship launching from Florida,” he said.
Posts: 104,908
Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.Donger is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2018, 10:21 PM   #31
Camaro Camaro is offline
Starter
 
Camaro's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2016
Casino cash: $345
I’m not a big fan of any kind of .gov handout for anyone who isn’t disabled, let em work like I do for my food. Food stamps are a joke anyway, I’ve seen life losers who receive them buy carts full of steak and lobsters then go out to their Escalade big enough to seat their 5 undocumented tax refund anchor sex trophies. If it came done to starve or eat I’d say an off brand can of green beans is more in line with what they deserve then a blank check they get to cash at any place that sells groceries, but call me an asshole.
Posts: 239
Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Camaro must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2018, 10:21 PM   #32
Over Yonder Over Yonder is offline
Veteran
 
Over Yonder's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: North Missouri
Casino cash: $1500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup View Post
Tell me how this is going to help our country?
The program needs reform not lack of funds.
I highly doubt it will. I have yet to see a socialist program that helps this country, I don't imagine this will be the 1st. What I asked is if you was serious when you said this

Quote:
Cutting the program by $200 Billion after passing tax cuts of $170 Billion to corporations like WalMart is shameful.
From reading the article, I come away with this program still feeds the poor AND costs less than the current system. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Where does giving corporations like Wal Mart tax cuts have any damn relevance to this?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Lee View Post
Few things Democrats profess to love more than a failed Republican.

From Ford and Papa Bush down through Dole and Kemp, McCain and Romney, they universally exclaim 'why can't more be like THEM!!'
Posts: 3,359
Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2018, 10:25 PM   #33
GloryDayz GloryDayz is offline
45, 46, 47....
 
GloryDayz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: FEMA-Free Zone
Casino cash: $87480
Make them Wookie meals. They'll get jobs!
__________________
.
#AbolishTheFBI
.
#MeToo #HeToo
.
#Doorknobs
.
Bots man, BOTS!!!
.
Posts: 66,909
GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.GloryDayz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2018, 10:33 PM   #34
Over Yonder Over Yonder is offline
Veteran
 
Over Yonder's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: North Missouri
Casino cash: $1500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryDayz View Post
Make them Wookie meals. They'll get jobs!
No crap!

Here is a leaf of lettuce and a green bean. And I better not see your little butt again until next Tuesday
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Lee View Post
Few things Democrats profess to love more than a failed Republican.

From Ford and Papa Bush down through Dole and Kemp, McCain and Romney, they universally exclaim 'why can't more be like THEM!!'
Posts: 3,359
Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.Over Yonder wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2018, 11:41 PM   #35
Taco John Taco John is offline
Sapere Aude
 
Taco John's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2001
Casino cash: $18037
Seems like an interesting innovation.
Posts: 62,742
Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.Taco John is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 12:04 AM   #36
Inspector Inspector is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: K.C.
Casino cash: $5075
I thought we were supposed to teach them how to fish.
__________________
As always, this is IMO.
Posts: 7,200
Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.Inspector Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 01:25 AM   #37
Rausch Rausch is offline
Angry Drunken Morlock
 
Rausch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Jefferson City, mo., USA
Casino cash: $51762
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inspector View Post
I thought we were supposed to teach them how to fish.
I'd prefer to teach people how to starve.

Work or starve.

If you aren't a vet, law enforcement, fire dept, peace corps, or some area of service you don't deserve to be carried by others.
__________________
Quote:
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Quote:
Originally Posted by rico
I wish I always ended up at gay bars.
Posts: 67,843
Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 01:29 AM   #38
Bugeater Bugeater is offline
Banned on the Run
 
Bugeater's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Pigsknuckle
Casino cash: $4770000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco View Post
Ding ding.

Does anyone know which businesses thrive on EBT? Asking for a friend.
Convenience stores?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27 View Post
progress towards a safer and more equal society should never just 'stop'.
Progressives: They'll tell you they just want the inch, but they'll be back for the mile.
Posts: 59,855
Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bugeater is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 02:03 AM   #39
Rausch Rausch is offline
Angry Drunken Morlock
 
Rausch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Jefferson City, mo., USA
Casino cash: $51762
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinky Bug Nuts View Post
Convenience stores?
Who spends money there-......wait. What?

Sorry, just had my twitter and youtube channel banned...
__________________
Quote:
"He had no teeth, and he was slobbering all over himself. I'm thinking, 'You can have your money back, just get me out of here. Let me go be an accountant." I can't tell you how badly I wanted out of there."
Denver rookie QB John Elway, on Jack Lambert, after Lambert and the Steelers knocked Elway out of his first game as a pro (1983).
Quote:
Originally Posted by rico
I wish I always ended up at gay bars.
Posts: 67,843
Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rausch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 09:49 AM   #40
BWillie BWillie is offline
Crushing your Hopes & Dreams
 
BWillie's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: baldeaglepoker.com
Casino cash: $41341
Most of the people in favor of this, are in favor of this to save tax payer money. And, it might. I like the idea of vouchers for a specific item over this, would do the same thing and more cost effective. But this really wouldn't save much money at all, compared to, I don't know cutting the ****ing military in half. That would save 50000% of tax payer money compared to doing this.
__________________
Who wants free money?

Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions!


THERE IS CURRENTLY A $500,000+ Bad Beat Jackpot at BetOnline! Sign up so you don't miss out.

Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com

Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.
Posts: 23,428
BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.BWillie is too fat/Omaha.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 09:57 AM   #41
IowaHawkeyeChief IowaHawkeyeChief is offline
MVP
 
IowaHawkeyeChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2016
Casino cash: $500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie View Post
Most of the people in favor of this, are in favor of this to save tax payer money. And, it might. I like the idea of vouchers for a specific item over this, would do the same thing and more cost effective. But this really wouldn't save much money at all, compared to, I don't know cutting the ****ing military in half. That would save 50000% of tax payer money compared to doing this.
Dolt
__________________
Dave Lane's old avatar "SOON" answers the question on when TDS will have his family commit him to a mental institution....
Posts: 5,939
IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.IowaHawkeyeChief is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 10:05 AM   #42
HonestChieffan HonestChieffan is offline
Seeking the Truth daily
 
HonestChieffan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the Country in MO
Casino cash: $34409
Everything they get needs to be generic and in black and white packaging. And anyone committing fraud should be forever removed from the program. And drug tests need to be in the mix. Dopers can buy chips on their own
__________________
Frazod to KC Nitwit..."Hey, I saw a picture of some dumpy bitch with a horrible ****tarded giant back tattoo and couldn't help but think of you." Simple, Pure, Perfect. 7/31/2013

Dave Lane: "I have donated more money to people in my life as an atheist that most churches ever will."

Come home to Jesus Dave. Come home.
Posts: 42,399
HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.HonestChieffan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 10:35 AM   #43
vailpass vailpass is offline
Welcome to WestWorld
 
vailpass's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Casino cash: $24344
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup View Post
And you are a ****ing Alt-Right moron.
And there it is. That dead giveaway announcing to the world that you have no point to make and have resorted to idiocracy.
Tell us big guy, what exactly is "Alt-right" as you apply it here?
__________________
These violent delights have violent ends.
Posts: 52,476
vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 10:40 AM   #44
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
**** you, asshole
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $577
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie View Post
But this really wouldn't save much money at all, compared to, I don't know cutting the ****ing military in half. .
No country in the world is willing to do this. Please stop.
Posts: 196,695
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-14-2018, 10:49 AM   #45
MagicHef MagicHef is offline
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $20347
Mr. Concannon certainly has a way with words.
__________________
With a sack in 64.4% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history.
Posts: 6,820
MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MagicHef Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:00 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.