Offensive Coordinator for a Day... - Page 4

Gaz · 10-28-2004, 08:25 AM

Got a plan?

xoxo~
Gaz
Consulting the Planet OCs.

Mark M · 10-28-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

A vote for the Defense!

xoxo~
Gaz
Happy for the boys.

Looks like someone got their crack pipe fixed ...

Seriously, though, I think losing Beisel will be hurt more than we think. The guy isn't the next Butkus, but losing him will make a difference.

Hopefully Bartee's performance last week wasn't a fluke.

MM
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el borracho · 10-28-2004, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Ive allways one to break from tradition, so I would punt on first down.

Ah, winning the battle of field position. Pretty sneaky.

Coogs · 10-28-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Mr Coogs. No doubt you are correct. 15 catches for TR is a great number.

However, perhaps you will be kind enough to consider that, 1) If the offensive scheme I am proposing comes to fruition, TR can get open early and often by brushing linebackers and finding open space, 2) Who would have thought we would score 8 rushing touchdowns on Atlanta's vaunted rushing D?, 3) Are we convinced in Morton and Kennison's ability to make a difference in a win?, and 4) My expectation is that it is likely that TG will see quite a bit of double coverage.

Yet, your point is well taken. Perhaps I am a lowly "homer"?

Best,

FH

On #1. If we pass, I would think TR would be better served to help protect Green. Even in the play action. When we passed against the Jags, Roaf was having a bit of a hard time against a lesser opponent than Freeney.

On #2. Since it was an NFL record, I would say nobody.

On #3. Morton is proving himself as a possession WR this year. Could be a huge factor Sunday.

On #4. Yep. Priest, Morton, Dunn, and maybe even Horn might be better alternatives than TR though.

Straight, No Chaser · 10-28-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Mr. Straight, No Chaser. Any offense you have taken from my analysis was unintentional, I assure you.

My comments were directed at your thoughtfully chosen and carefully considered plan. Of course, I did not take offense... Indeed Sir, I must humbly apologize for the monkey comment. How careless of me. I did not intend it to be misconstrued. I did not mean to suggest you were anything but Homo Sapiens. I wanted to call in question your ability to "get inside Tony's head", to engage in understanding and hypothesizing about his strategy to contain the Chiefs running game. Maybe referring to a "fly on the wall" would have been a better analogy. To this point he has offered few details about returning to Arrowhead. Indeed, Mister JAX before I proffer, offer, hint, propose, suggest, tender or volunteer my opinions, I should

and

eh?

As noted here in another thread, it's better to first exhaust the strength of your side before countering the strategy of the opposing team. That must start by riding the wave of last weeks OL domination. Consider that LJ will likely be suited up this week. I don't think it will matter who gets the carries. The way the O grinded out those 12, 13, and 14 play drives against a tough Raven's defense could add up to a lot of sideline time for Pay-Me-A-Ton. The less we see of him, the less we see of him.

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FAX · 10-28-2004, 01:11 PM

Mr Coogs. Allow me to compliment you. Your comments are astute and knowledgeable. May your children graduate with honors and may the muse of excellent sex visit you often.

Although it is, of course, unknowable how many balls TR will catch in Sunday's game, I believe that the "opportunity" exists to get him the ball with consistency due to Indy's anticipated attention to the run and the effect of play action on same. Ergo, my statement was, "I would not be surprised if ...".

Certainly, your point regarding pass protection is both excellent and well stated.

For my part, I remain unconvinced that Morton is a "difference-maker". Although your comment regarding his improvement as a possession receiver is well taken.

I will defer to your judgement on the issue of Dunn and Horn. Two additional threats in the short to intermediate passing game which may well be used to our advantage.

Indy 17
Chiefs 28

By the way, as a "newbie" (sp?) ... I lack the knowledge and understanding of how one includes portions of the previous post (to which one is responding) in their own as you have done. Would you be inclined to share this technique?

Best,

FAX

Coogs · 10-28-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Mr Coogs. Allow me to compliment you. Your comments are astute and knowledgeable. May your children graduate with honors and may the muse of excellent sex visit you often.
.....

By the way, as a "newbie" (sp?) ... I lack the knowledge and understanding of how one includes portions of the previous post (to which one is responding) in their own as you have done. Would you be inclined to share this technique?

Best,

FAX

I usually am known as the Chiefs Planet "genious", so astute and knowledgeable would be a new one for me! I'll take it! The 2nd part....

As far as your last question, click on the "quote" button at the bottom right of the post you want to use.

28-17 would be fantastic.

SPchief · 10-28-2004, 02:05 PM

I say on our first play why not run a flea flicker

Coogs · 10-28-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

I say on our first play why not run a flea flicker

Think time of possession. Keep the defense fresh and Manning with nothing to do besides argue with Wayne.

mcan · 10-28-2004, 02:14 PM

Offense:

The line is going to have to have another great day. I have no doubt that they will. Freeney is the man... But we should run the ball right at him. Roaf will eat him up, and that should keep us working to our strength and them working to their weaknesses. Stay to the left... Stay to the left... Stay to left... Get those safeties up, and hit them with crossing patterns and deep outs... Tony Gonzalez should have close to 10 catches if they keep with that game plan. Expect a lot of 2 TE sets and unbalanced lines... HEAVY left. Johnnie Morton is coming off his best two week stretch since he was a Chief. He ran two GREAT routes last week. Expect him to keep that up and get a couple a big plays. One thing to be VERY aware of is pass blocking our play action. There will be a lot of stunting and linebackers filling gaps to limit Priest. If we rely too much on play action Trent will be running for his life early, and that could put our defense on the field more than we would like....

Defense:

Edge is running 4 1/2 yards per carry. Harrison leads the team in receptions and has five TDs. Worst yet, Peyton has a 112+ quarterback rating and reads defenses extremely well... So, don't get cute. Don't try to disquise your blitzes or trick Peyton... He won't be fooled. All you can hope to do is execute better and beat people off the line of scrimmage. Vonnie Holliday will have to step up. The Colts have a read on this guy from last year. They know when he's going inside the tackle and they will audible to pitch to the left whenever he goes inside. That spells disaster for the Chiefs. It is crucial that our RE (even if it's Jarod Allen) stays outside. Trust Barber and Beisel to fill their proper gaps and don't let them sucker you in... One thing I would throw out right now is the corner blitz. The first time William Bartee crowds the line, Payton will start pumping his fist and we'll be screwed... They have a plan for that, rest assured. I WOULD however, blitz the occasional linebacker. Peyton can be pressured into making a bad throw to a route that he thinks "should" be open because that's where the blitz is coming from. Jerome Woods could come away with a pick or two if our linebackers can get pressure. Again, this means that our defensive tackles are going to have to get upfield... That's HARD to do against these guys, and Peyton gets his throws off quick. Eric Warfield needs to play aggressive. Yeah, you're going to get beat a couple times, no big whoop. But if you play too far off Marvin Harrison, they will slant you to death. Finally... And I say this to everybody who plays the Colts... Take advantage of Jeff Saturday's nasty little habit.

Jeff Saturday will stare at the football in his hand until just before he snaps the ball, at which point he quickly looks up at the man that he intends to block. He does this about 75% of the time. The Chiefs' defensive line should be coming out of their stances right when Jeff makes his move. If they can get the timing right, they should be moving forward BEFORE the ball is snapped, and beat their blocks regularly...

Special Teams:

Dante got a TD against these guys last time, so I would try that reverse on the opening kick. Get somebody like Kennison or Morton to run it, and we could start out with great field position, or a quick 6 points. I would also make a point to go ahead and punt in those fourth and short opportunities. We've been going for it a bit more often, but right now our punter is having a great last couple of weeks, and we need to make sure that the Colts have to drive the length of the field every time they have the ball. If it's too long for an easy 3 points, then put them inside the 5 and trust this improving defense. Putting the defense on the field when they have the best of it can only help to swing the momentum in their favor.

Red Dawg · 10-28-2004, 02:42 PM

If one particular play kept working I'd run it over and over until they stopped it.

Straight, No Chaser · 10-28-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Defense:

Edge is running 4 1/2 yards per carry. Harrison leads the team in receptions and has five TDs. Worst yet, Peyton has a 112+ quarterback rating and reads defenses extremely well... So, don't get cute. Don't try to disquise your blitzes or trick Peyton... He won't be fooled. All you can hope to do is execute better and beat people off the line of scrimmage. Vonnie Holliday will have to step up. The Colts have a read on this guy from last year. They know when he's going inside the tackle and they will audible to pitch to the left whenever he goes inside. That spells disaster for the Chiefs. It is crucial that our RE (even if it's Jarod Allen) stays outside. Trust Barber and Beisel to fill their proper gaps and don't let them sucker you in... One thing I would throw out right now is the corner blitz. The first time William Bartee crowds the line, Payton will start pumping his fist and we'll be screwed... They have a plan for that, rest assured. I WOULD however, blitz the occasional linebacker. Peyton can be pressured into making a bad throw to a route that he thinks "should" be open because that's where the blitz is coming from. Jerome Woods could come away with a pick or two if our linebackers can get pressure. Again, this means that our defensive tackles are going to have to get upfield... That's HARD to do against these guys, and Peyton gets his throws off quick. Eric Warfield needs to play aggressive. Yeah, you're going to get beat a couple times, no big whoop. But if you play too far off Marvin Harrison, they will slant you to death. Finally... And I say this to everybody who plays the Colts... Take advantage of Jeff Saturday's nasty little habit...

Check this from today's Chiefs Injury Notes (KC Star):

Priest Holmes, Monty Beisel, Dexter McCleon, Junior Siavii, Omar Easy and Kris Wilson did not practice Wednesday. Vermeil thought that only Holmes would be available to play against the Colts.

Beisel will be replaced at starting middle linebacker by Kawika Mitchell. The injury to McCleon might hurt the most. If he doesn't play, it would force the Chiefs to use rookie Benny Sapp or Julian Battle as the nickel back against one of the league's most potent passing attacks

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Kawika in the middle? Missing McCleon a bad?
Mo' better to grip the ToP and hold on. Would like nothing more than the Chiefs churning out a long touchdown drive that ends with :00 left.

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mcan · 10-28-2004, 08:50 PM

Nobody wants to dip into my analysis? Or is it just too damned long? Oh well, I guess I need to quit putting effort into things like this...

Do me a favor though, you members of the Planet...

When Sunday rolls around. Go back and read this. Notice what I said about Vonnie Holliday and about Jeff Saturday. These two things could make or break the game... Yet, they go unnoticed by most.

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Nobody wants to dip into my analysis? Or is it just too damned long? Oh well, I guess I need to quit putting effort into things like this...

Do me a favor though, you members of the Planet...

When Sunday rolls around. Go back and read this. Notice what I said about Vonnie Holliday and about Jeff Saturday. These two things could make or break the game... Yet, they go unnoticed by most.

I read it all. Interesting points. We might run that reverse on our first kick return.

The Saturday thing is interesting. I hope Goonther is taking notes.

Nightfyre · 10-28-2004, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

Check this from today's Chiefs Injury Notes (KC Star):

Priest Holmes, Monty Beisel, Dexter McCleon, Junior Siavii, Omar Easy and Kris Wilson did not practice Wednesday. Vermeil thought that only Holmes would be available to play against the Colts.

Beisel will be replaced at starting middle linebacker by Kawika Mitchell. The injury to McCleon might hurt the most. If he doesn't play, it would force the Chiefs to use rookie Benny Sapp or Julian Battle as the nickel back against one of the league's most potent passing attacks

===============

Kawika in the middle? Missing McCleon a bad?
Mo' better to grip the ToP and hold on. Would like nothing more than the Chiefs churning out a long touchdown drive that ends with :00 left.

--->

I think it will be good to give these rookies a shot. They may just toast McCleon and that would make me happy. I can see it now... Sapp with 3 INTs on the game as a nickelback...

Coogs · 11-01-2004, 01:24 PM

42 rushing plays and 34 passing plays.... mostly screens and play action! TOP advantage to the Chiefs to the tune of 37:33 to 22:27.

AS and Gun did a terrific job of game planning yesterday. Game wasn't as close as score indicated IMO. Fumbles by Holmes and Cheeks cost us at least 6 points. Gift PI on Warfield on 3rd down resulted in a gift TD on next play when Warfield fell down. Should have been at least 34-7 at the half.

Do it again next Sunday vs the Buc's!!!

View Poll Results: How would you attack the Colts?
Run, run and more run. Keep it on the ground. Pound it out.	12	18.18%
Run and pass. Play action and screens to confuse The Enemy.	52	78.79%
Air it out, baby. Throw the ball against that crappy pass D.	1	1.52%
Bite me, Gaz, the D will carry the day without the O	1	1.52%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

10-28-2004, 08:25 AM
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10-28-2004, 01:11 PM	#50
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Mr Coogs. Allow me to compliment you. Your comments are astute and knowledgeable. May your children graduate with honors and may the muse of excellent sex visit you often. Although it is, of course, unknowable how many balls TR will catch in Sunday's game, I believe that the "opportunity" exists to get him the ball with consistency due to Indy's anticipated attention to the run and the effect of play action on same. Ergo, my statement was, "I would not be surprised if ...". Certainly, your point regarding pass protection is both excellent and well stated. For my part, I remain unconvinced that Morton is a "difference-maker". Although your comment regarding his improvement as a possession receiver is well taken. I will defer to your judgement on the issue of Dunn and Horn. Two additional threats in the short to intermediate passing game which may well be used to our advantage. Indy 17 Chiefs 28 By the way, as a "newbie" (sp?) ... I lack the knowledge and understanding of how one includes portions of the previous post (to which one is responding) in their own as you have done. Would you be inclined to share this technique? Best, FAX
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10-28-2004, 02:05 PM	#52
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10-28-2004, 02:14 PM	#54
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	Offense: The line is going to have to have another great day. I have no doubt that they will. Freeney is the man... But we should run the ball right at him. Roaf will eat him up, and that should keep us working to our strength and them working to their weaknesses. Stay to the left... Stay to the left... Stay to left... Get those safeties up, and hit them with crossing patterns and deep outs... Tony Gonzalez should have close to 10 catches if they keep with that game plan. Expect a lot of 2 TE sets and unbalanced lines... HEAVY left. Johnnie Morton is coming off his best two week stretch since he was a Chief. He ran two GREAT routes last week. Expect him to keep that up and get a couple a big plays. One thing to be VERY aware of is pass blocking our play action. There will be a lot of stunting and linebackers filling gaps to limit Priest. If we rely too much on play action Trent will be running for his life early, and that could put our defense on the field more than we would like.... Defense: Edge is running 4 1/2 yards per carry. Harrison leads the team in receptions and has five TDs. Worst yet, Peyton has a 112+ quarterback rating and reads defenses extremely well... So, don't get cute. Don't try to disquise your blitzes or trick Peyton... He won't be fooled. All you can hope to do is execute better and beat people off the line of scrimmage. Vonnie Holliday will have to step up. The Colts have a read on this guy from last year. They know when he's going inside the tackle and they will audible to pitch to the left whenever he goes inside. That spells disaster for the Chiefs. It is crucial that our RE (even if it's Jarod Allen) stays outside. Trust Barber and Beisel to fill their proper gaps and don't let them sucker you in... One thing I would throw out right now is the corner blitz. The first time William Bartee crowds the line, Payton will start pumping his fist and we'll be screwed... They have a plan for that, rest assured. I WOULD however, blitz the occasional linebacker. Peyton can be pressured into making a bad throw to a route that he thinks "should" be open because that's where the blitz is coming from. Jerome Woods could come away with a pick or two if our linebackers can get pressure. Again, this means that our defensive tackles are going to have to get upfield... That's HARD to do against these guys, and Peyton gets his throws off quick. Eric Warfield needs to play aggressive. Yeah, you're going to get beat a couple times, no big whoop. But if you play too far off Marvin Harrison, they will slant you to death. Finally... And I say this to everybody who plays the Colts... Take advantage of Jeff Saturday's nasty little habit. Jeff Saturday will stare at the football in his hand until just before he snaps the ball, at which point he quickly looks up at the man that he intends to block. He does this about 75% of the time. The Chiefs' defensive line should be coming out of their stances right when Jeff makes his move. If they can get the timing right, they should be moving forward BEFORE the ball is snapped, and beat their blocks regularly... Special Teams: Dante got a TD against these guys last time, so I would try that reverse on the opening kick. Get somebody like Kennison or Morton to run it, and we could start out with great field position, or a quick 6 points. I would also make a point to go ahead and punt in those fourth and short opportunities. We've been going for it a bit more often, but right now our punter is having a great last couple of weeks, and we need to make sure that the Colts have to drive the length of the field every time they have the ball. If it's too long for an easy 3 points, then put them inside the 5 and trust this improving defense. Putting the defense on the field when they have the best of it can only help to swing the momentum in their favor.
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10-28-2004, 02:42 PM	#55
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10-28-2004, 08:50 PM	#57
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	Nobody wants to dip into my analysis? Or is it just too damned long? Oh well, I guess I need to quit putting effort into things like this... Do me a favor though, you members of the Planet... When Sunday rolls around. Go back and read this. Notice what I said about Vonnie Holliday and about Jeff Saturday. These two things could make or break the game... Yet, they go unnoticed by most.
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11-01-2004, 01:24 PM	#60
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1644349	42 rushing plays and 34 passing plays.... mostly screens and play action! TOP advantage to the Chiefs to the tune of 37:33 to 22:27. AS and Gun did a terrific job of game planning yesterday. Game wasn't as close as score indicated IMO. Fumbles by Holmes and Cheeks cost us at least 6 points. Gift PI on Warfield on 3rd down resulted in a gift TD on next play when Warfield fell down. Should have been at least 34-7 at the half. Do it again next Sunday vs the Buc's!!!
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