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Old 03-26-2014, 01:02 PM  
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:15 PM   #106
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It's really a bad deal. Had some women on Fox Sports talking about they will sue if they don't get paid the same as football players.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:18 PM   #107
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Going to be a lot of colleges pulling the old, "We only break even after travel, coaches salaries and stadium expenses," in a few years.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:19 PM   #108
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To hell with it. Just do away with all athletic scholarships. These "student" athletes will still be able to join a union.

Almost all sanitation workers have unions.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:21 PM   #109
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Going to be a lot of colleges pulling the old, "We only break even after travel, coaches salaries and stadium expenses," in a few years.
Many of them won't be lying.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:29 PM   #110
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I sympathize with the top tier athletes that have to watch colleges bring in billion dollar TV packages as the fruits of their labor. But this is going to destroy college sports.

This will only positively affect a tiny portion of all parties involved. It will kill opportunities for the average player, college, and fan.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:45 PM   #111
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Here's my view. If the ncaa wants to be a nonprofit then act like it instead of creating this fat cat system where a ton of profit off the indentured servitude of unpaid players. And loosen the unbelievably stupid rules about player payment outside the ncaa. Let good players get sponsorships and after their college years over, at least let them get paid for their likeness.

It's not enough to say they get free tuition. The average football player practices 45 hours a week. That is a full time job plus overtime. And unlike regular students, they can't earn a single penny elsewhere. Can't work another job. Can't even get a free lunch, let alone sell their own stuff online.

And the idea that these kids are getting a free education is silly in a system that wilfully cuts scholarships at will if the player becomes ineffective, and where players are constantly practicing or on the road. If you want to call it an educational benefit, then commit to a better student life for them or at least let them stay in school beyond their football years.
This is a very narrow view of college athletics. The golden goose of big time college sports has grown at breakneck speed in a very small amount of time. It's not like these schools created these sports as a cash cow. The explosion of the most popular spectator sports and the television contracts that go with them is a relatively new phenomenon. And the schools are bound by NCAA rules that tied their hands on how that money trickles down to the athlete. Those rules exist in the name of parity, not profit. Designed to give athletes, as well as fans, relatively equal opportunities at every school.

It's not as if colleges back in the 1800s decided to create athletic programs to exploit students for a windfall. All of the rules in place that keep schools from passing that money on are also responsible for the scale of college spectator sports. You want these guys to be paid a wage commensurate with their value? Enjoy your 20 team college football league.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:37 PM   #112
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This is a very narrow view of college athletics. The golden goose of big time college sports has grown at breakneck speed in a very small amount of time. It's not like these schools created these sports as a cash cow. The explosion of the most popular spectator sports and the television contracts that go with them is a relatively new phenomenon. And the schools are bound by NCAA rules that tied their hands on how that money trickles down to the athlete. Those rules exist in the name of parity, not profit. Designed to give athletes, as well as fans, relatively equal opportunities at every school.

It's not as if colleges back in the 1800s decided to create athletic programs to exploit students for a windfall. All of the rules in place that keep schools from passing that money on are also responsible for the scale of college spectator sports. You want these guys to be paid a wage commensurate with their value? Enjoy your 20 team college football league.
I'm not a fan of unionizing or paying a wage. But again, if you're the NCAA, stop the bullshit of calling yourself a nonprofit then whoring out these players and pretending all of that money goes back into the schools. And lift these ridiculous rules around players getting paid for legit activities. If they want to find a good job to support themselves, let them do it. If they want to sell off their own stuff? Let them do it. Hell, it might teach them the responsibility they badly lack today.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:01 PM   #113
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So all college athletes will be paid then? Stuff like girls soccer, volleyball and Lacrosse? Or just the popular stuff like men's BB and football?
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:29 PM   #114
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This is what happens when everyone gets greedy over the big time money that is made over collegiate athletics. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. And rightfully so. There's a shit ton of money to be made w/ TV contracts etc. The better you do and the more you win means more money there is to be made.

Big money and greed is going to ruin college sports (it's already started to IMO), just like big money is going to end up ruining the NFL. I honestly don't think the NFL will be around in 20yrs. Not with all of these concussion lawsuits popping up everywhere on every team from past players ...again....wanting a piece of the bigger pie. Not the small pie the players union settled for..that was nothing but animal feed, and to be honest I'm surprised they settled for it. The people that didn't go along w/ the NFLPA Class Action suit are the ones who are going to win big on this issue. And it has the potential to bankrupt the NFL.


It's ALL about money...it's a fight of the millionaires against the billionaires in the pro sports world.

And it's the Hypocritical Big time Corporation that is the NCAA against the amateur athletes that make them billions for a piece of paper that probably won't get many of them anywhere in life after college should they not play in a pro league somewhere. Some of these kids coming in can't even read, and they're coming to an institution because they can catch, run a 4.4 and is 6'4 225lbs..and that's it. There are ways around grades, esp when you're talking about top programs. They'll pay certain people off to cook the books a little bit. That's what happened to Darrell Arthur. KU states they knew nothing about it.........suuuuuuuuuuuure they didn't. You mean to tell me they're going to invest tons of time money and resources recruiting a kid hoping to make millions off the guy in the grand scheme of things, and not even make sure he can even attend the university because he can't understand how to use the FOIL formula? Last time I checked you don't solve algebraic equations when on a bball court or football field.

Whats that quote from the movie The Program? - "80k people don't show up to watch a kid take a chemistry exam". something like that anyways maybe not verbatim. There's 10000% truth to that.

It's a hard problem to solve though. Didn't Roy Williams get into trouble for having some kind of post graduation trust fund set up for his players that got access to certain amount of funds once they graduated ??? That's a good idea but it won't fix the problem for people like Andrew Wiggins and other top 1 and done players. That's also another huge HUGE problem that is ruining the quality of college basketball. I think it should be mandatory to play 3 seasons, with having to option to leave after your Jr year. I also think the NBA needs to do the coincide w/ this and not allow players to be eligible until after their Jr yr in school or 21 yrs of age (or whatever age you'd be as a jr in school). Make it like the NFL where the only main road to the draft in the US is the college circuit. If you want to go pro at 18 instead of going to college...go play overseas. From what I heard is that Andrew Wiggins never went to class this entire semester. And why should he? He's leaving pro and he can fail all he wants to because semester doesn't end til May, and he'll be working out for the draft when it comes a month or so later.

Plus when you start paying football and (male) basketball players...then the women (who for the most part outside of a few programs nationally, probably lose their AD shit loads of money) will start to complain, and then will gymnastics and swimming and again....it's a big pie and everyone wants a piece of it.

Not sure how this will work out....guess we'll see. Cheers.....hava beer.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:36 PM   #115
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:47 PM   #116
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When the athletes for a power school provide over a hundred million dollars of value to that school, you can't just automatically point to the scholarship and declare it to be enough, that is not fair. Most of the time, the athlete can probably take out loans anyway, so we're just talking about the present value of those loans, not the value of the education.
So why would these kids want to go to a high priced school that, on their academic merits, they couldn't get into in the first place?

They have that choice?

Personally it pisses me off that, because of their athletic ability, they are letting substandard students in and turning down qualified, yet not spectacular, students who want to be there for the education.
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:08 PM   #117
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So why would these kids want to go to a high priced school that, on their academic merits, they couldn't get into in the first place?

They have that choice?

Personally it pisses me off that, because of their athletic ability, they are letting substandard students in and turning down qualified, yet not spectacular, students who want to be there for the education.
I pray that THIS is where the argument goes. Both sides have VERY valid points, but when you get back to the root of the problem this is all too often what you find, perfectly good colleges letting kids in on the merits that should NOT be in consideration.

Let's see if they go there or dance around it. As a father of a son of a wrestler, tennis player, band kid, and uber-robotics nerd, I'm VERY happy that the 8 (of 8 that he applied to) schools he applied to accepted him on him academic merits. There was no end to the challenges he set for himself on the academic side of the ledger, and it pisses me off that some kid might have made it based on their sports ability.

So I hope this is the beginning of the end for THAT crap!
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:26 PM   #118
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Game changer no doubt. The successful programs will be the ones with the deepest pockets. Imagine if Peyton Manning decided not to go to the NFL cuz Tennessee offered him more to stay. Wonder if there will be a cap or ceiling as to what they can be paid? The bidding wars for high school athletes could be ridiculous, with the top players doing the LeBron on ESPN. This is gonna be crazy.
Why would there be a salary cap?

They want complete free market ... no more school recruiting, it's about free agency right out of high school.

75% of school won't be able to compete.

Schools like Harvard and Duke will become national powers in all sports.

schools like KU,KSU and probably even Mizzou will become division 2
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Yay, they've done so much good for other sports.

Can't wait for the first labor stoppage!
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Yay, they've done so much good for other sports.

Can't wait for the first labor stoppage!
high schoolers and their agents will threaten 'work stoppage' each time the CBA runs out.

and they won't give a crap about anything but their 2 years of being there
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