Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 136

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Demonpenz · 03-28-2013, 04:13 PM

I think Sal Perez has the tools and the attitude to be the best catcher ever.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 03-28-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I think Sal Perez has the tools and the attitude to be the best catcher ever.

In the history of man? like ever ever?

Strongside · 03-28-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

what is Gordon's absolute ceiling this year?

how many homeruns?

I know we thought in the past he had 30 HR potential...any chance he turns some doubles into homers this year?

what do you guys think?

I think he still has 30-35 potential. The dude can swing it.

KevB · 03-28-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

what is Gordon's absolute ceiling this year?

how many homeruns?

I know we thought in the past he had 30 HR potential...any chance he turns some doubles into homers this year?

what do you guys think?

I think as long as he stays in the leadoff spot, he'll be a 20 HR type guy. If you push him down the order, he could push up into the high 20s.

KevB · 03-28-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Cain just doubled, halfway to the cycle.

Its not likely, but if Cain could somehow, someway be a great bat in the lineup, that unexpected bonus could shield the Royals from the impact of something going wrong somewhere else.

Something going wrong elsewhere = Frenchy in right for 160 games

Demonpenz · 03-28-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

In the history of man? like ever ever?

the universe and time and space

Hootie · 03-28-2013, 05:36 PM

Is there a reason why we keep Alex at leadoff or is it simply a mental thing...as in, it works when hitting him 3rd didn't in the past, so why fix what isn't broke?

Hootie · 03-28-2013, 06:12 PM

the reason I ask is because Gordon has 7 bombs this spring...

is it out of the realm of possibility that he's finally relaxed, arrived, and is now ready to rape?

could we see a mega outbreak season of a .320 110 30 100 line?

If so, we'd have to hit him 3rd, right?

Like if he starts out the season with 5 HR's in the first 20 games or so...and is hitting the cover off the ball...doesn't he serve better as our 3 hitter with Billy protecting him in the lineup?

SPATCH · 03-28-2013, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

the reason I ask is because Gordon has 7 bombs this spring...

is it out of the realm of possibility that he's finally relaxed, arrived, and is now ready to rape?

could we see a mega outbreak season of a .320 110 30 100 line?

If so, we'd have to hit him 3rd, right?

Like if he starts out the season with 5 HR's in the first 20 games or so...and is hitting the cover off the ball...doesn't he serve better as our 3 hitter with Billy protecting him in the lineup?

But, who leads off? Escobar?

**DeezNutz** · 03-28-2013, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

the reason I ask is because Gordon has 7 bombs this spring...

is it out of the realm of possibility that he's finally relaxed, arrived, and is now ready to rape?

could we see a mega outbreak season of a .320 110 30 100 line?

If so, we'd have to hit him 3rd, right?

Like if he starts out the season with 5 HR's in the first 20 games or so...and is hitting the cover off the ball...doesn't he serve better as our 3 hitter with Billy protecting him in the lineup?

Maybe, but I really like having Gordon and Butler up in the first inning to maximize their ABs. Plus, Gordon gets on base a ton.

Order doesn't really matter, aside from getting the most ABs for your best hitters.

tk13 · 03-28-2013, 06:18 PM

Ideally it might make sense to hit him lower... but Gordon seems to be pretty comfortable when they slide him into the 1 spot.

**DeezNutz** · 03-28-2013, 06:22 PM

Who's getting on base if you put Gordon at 3? I long argued that I'd be fine with Billlaaayyy at 2. The notion of "clogging bases" is complete and total horse shit.

penbrook · 03-28-2013, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

Ideally it might make sense to hit him lower... but Gordon seems to be pretty comfortable when they slide him into the 1 spot.

I think the batting order goes 1) Gordon 2) Escobar 3) Moustakas 4) Butler 5) Hosmer 6) Perez 7) Cain 8) Francouer 9) Getz

penbrook · 03-28-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook

I think the batting order goes 1) Gordon 2) Escobar 3) Moustakas 4) Butler 5) Hosmer 6) Perez 7) Cain 8) Francouer 9) Getz

Perez and Hosmer could potentially switch #s in the batting order.

**DeezNutz** · 03-28-2013, 06:24 PM

Butler at 4 makes zero sense to me.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	the reason I ask is because Gordon has 7 bombs this spring... is it out of the realm of possibility that he's finally relaxed, arrived, and is now ready to rape? could we see a mega outbreak season of a .320 110 30 100 line? If so, we'd have to hit him 3rd, right? Like if he starts out the season with 5 HR's in the first 20 games or so...and is hitting the cover off the ball...doesn't he serve better as our 3 hitter with Billy protecting him in the lineup?
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2012500	Ideally it might make sense to hit him lower... but Gordon seems to be pretty comfortable when they slide him into the 1 spot.
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