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Old 05-01-2016, 02:05 AM  
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Late night bullshit: it's been three years, let's grade the 2013 Draft.

T'was Dorsey's first.

Our hearts had been broken by signing Alex Smith, and half the board was engaged in an intense fight over Geno Smith.

Ah, those were the days.

1. OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan C

I'm giving this a C for now. Fish came on strong at the end of 2015 and played well in the playoffs. If he becomes a reliable left tackle, this grade could get bumped up. He'd have to be an All Pro for me to ever get into "A" range.

3. TE Travis Kelce, Cincinnati A

One of the league's best tight ends, Kelce is super athletic, with elite size and improves every year in blocking.

3. RB Knile Davis, Arkansas D

Injury prone with fumble-itis, his pro career has put those weaknesses front and center, and now he's on the verge of getting cut. It's not all terrible for Davis; when he's run 20+ times as a feature back, he plays well -- his play declines sharply in a committee, though. His play in the playoffs has been very good, with the one exception being the ill-fated fumble that partially cost us the game against New England.

4. ILB Nico Johnson, Alabama D

Not real sure what happened with Nico. He languished on the depth chart behind Akeem Jordan in 2013 and couldn't get on the field when Joe Mays and Derrick. Johnson both went down in 2014, losing time to James-Michael Johnson and Josh Mauga, before getting cut. He now is JAG for the Bengals, I believe.

5. S Sanders Commings, Georgia F+

Bad luck. Played two actual snaps for us but couldn't stay healthy. On those two plays, he planted a RB on his ass. Too bad.

6. C Eric Kush C+

Looked pretty good in preseason, but could never ascend to get a starting job. When he was in line for one, the Chiefs opted to cut him and draft Mitch Morse with a 2nd instead.

6. FB Braden Wilson, Kansas State F

Wilson never even made it to the 53. The Chiefs traded for Anthony Sherman within days.

7. DE Mike Catapano, Princeton C

I still think Catapano can play. His Princeton tape was so boss, and he played pretty well when he was on the field. The Chiefs just kept bringing in talent at DE, though, and Big Cat couldn't break through.

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Old 05-01-2016, 09:21 PM   #76
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4th round - Knile Davis

Okafor and Jenkins are now starters, and I think Duke Williams has made some splashes (but then so has Knile). Schwenke is a starter for half of each season before he gets injured, and Akeem Spence produces a lot as a spot starter. Dion Sims is in a similar role as Knile. I think three of these guys are out of the league (Barkley, Sanders, Boyce).

So Knile is probably a B- or worst case C+, believe it or not. He's made some plays over the years, and a lot of his draft peers haven't.

3* 96 Kansas City Chiefs Knile Davis RB Arkansas SEC
3* 97 Tennessee Titans Zaviar Gooden LB Missouri SEC
4 98 Philadelphia Eagles Matt Barkley QB USC Pac-12 from Jacksonville [R4 - 1]
4 99 Kansas City Chiefs Nico Johnson LB Alabama SEC
4 100 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Akeem Spence DT Illinois Big Ten from Oakland [R4 - 2]
4 101 Jacksonville Jaguars Ace Sanders WR South Carolina SEC from Philadelphia [R4 - 3]
4 102 New England Patriots Josh Boyce WR TCU Big 12 from Detroit via Minnesota [R4 - 4]
4 103 Arizona Cardinals Alex Okafor DE Texas Big 12
4 104 Miami Dolphins Jelani Jenkins LB Florida SEC from Cleveland [R4 - 5]
4 105 Buffalo Bills Duke Williams S Nevada MW
4 106 Miami Dolphins Dion Sims TE Michigan State Big Ten from New York Jets via New Orleans [R4 - 6]
4 107 Tennessee Titans Brian Schwenke C California Pac-12
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:23 PM   #77
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~28 Yards per kickoff return over 3 years.
Big playoff performer against Indy and a huge playoff kickoff return TD against Houston

Asked to be the primary ballcarrier 5 times in Charles' absence. He should be 5-0 in those starts. And this was during the conservative as hell Alex Smith years 1 & 2 playing behind a really bad offensive line.
If he was so good the chiefs wouldn't take a chance on the media shit show that is Tyreek Hill
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:26 PM   #78
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4th round - Nico Johnson

Okay, Nico is barely hanging on. That puts him ahead of only Barkley, Sanders, and Boyce, and he's in a similar situation to Shamarko Thomas. Throw Bakhtiari in there as an established starter and Nico is probably a D+.

4 99 Kansas City Chiefs Nico Johnson LB Alabama SEC
4 100 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Akeem Spence DT Illinois Big Ten from Oakland [R4 - 2]
4 101 Jacksonville Jaguars Ace Sanders WR South Carolina SEC from Philadelphia [R4 - 3]
4 102 New England Patriots Josh Boyce WR TCU Big 12 from Detroit via Minnesota [R4 - 4]
4 103 Arizona Cardinals Alex Okafor DE Texas Big 12
4 104 Miami Dolphins Jelani Jenkins LB Florida SEC from Cleveland [R4 - 5]
4 105 Buffalo Bills Duke Williams S Nevada MW
4 106 Miami Dolphins Dion Sims TE Michigan State Big Ten from New York Jets via New Orleans [R4 - 6]
4 107 Tennessee Titans Brian Schwenke C California Pac-12
4 108 Carolina Panthers Edmund Kugbila G Valdosta State Gulf South
4 109 Green Bay Packers David Bakhtiari OT Colorado Pac-12 from New Orleans via Miami [R4 - 7]
4 110 New York Giants Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse Big East from San Diego via Arizona [R4 - 8]
4 111 Pittsburgh Steelers Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse Big East from Miami via Cleveland [R4 - 9]
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:28 PM   #79
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I'll do more later if I remember. I've got a good projection on the grades of Sanders Commings and Braden Wilson, but let's see if the Chiefs SHOULD have done better or if most guys are out of the league at their draft spot.
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:28 PM   #80
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If he was so good the chiefs wouldn't take a chance on the media shit show that is Tyreek Hill
I don't like the decision to draft Hill.

But talent-wise, you have a potentially elite KR and potential DAT replacement vs. a very good KR who won't see the field at RB. Easy decision to want to trade him. But teams won't give up much for backup RBs, let alone RBs they know are certain to get cut.
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:48 PM   #81
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Giving Davis a B- is such BS dude has fumblitis terrible pick.
Yeah he fumbles too much, but Chiefs got decent return on the pick. Maybe C+/C is reasonable. He obviously has warts, but the guy produced for the most part when called on. It wasn't a terrible pick, he's just nothing more than a #2 at best.
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:52 PM   #82
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His trade value is so high teams just knocking on our door dane......
I agree his career may not last much longer. Turnovers are going to kill it. But the Chiefs got good football out of the guy.
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It's always easy to go back 3-4 years then cherry pick a real great pick or a real shitty pick.

I think the overall picks were decent, about a B-
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Yeah he fumbles too much, but Chiefs got decent return on the pick. Maybe C+/C is reasonable. He obviously has warts, but the guy produced for the most part when called on. It wasn't a terrible pick, he's just nothing more than a #2 at best.
And being a #2 at best isn't bad for a 4th round pick. It doesn't help though when your team has 3 legit #1's and a quality FB to boot. He should get a backup role somewhere and be just fine. Especially if it's a scheme that allows him to do a lot of north/south.
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His trade value is so high teams just knocking on our door dane......
And once again, you prove that your NFL knowledge is as shallow as the shit and piss in the Oakland Coliseum
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Old 05-01-2016, 11:25 PM   #86
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And once again, you prove that your NFL knowledge is as shallow as the shit and piss in the Oakland Coliseum
Dropping insults instead of defending your statement very professional of you
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Well, I guess that settles that.


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Wonder if we could trade them Knile for Luke and play him at guard? lolz
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Here's some real talk for you, post-draft: Not all the first-round picks made last week are going to be NFL stars.

We're reminded of this now every year around this time when NFL teams must make decisions on the first-round picks they made a mere three years ago. Optimism was high then, even for what looks like a putrid draft now, but in many cases it's back down to earth with news trickling in for which teams are picking up those players' fifth-year options.

In short: The 2013 draft was pretty awful. And right now, it's really sinking in as teams are now having to admit to a lot of their mistakes.

The 2011 CBA allowed NFL teams to sign first-rounders to four-year contracts with a fifth year at the team's discretion (to be decided before the start of the fourth season). That salary is based off an average of the top players at their positions, with top-10 picks making a higher average.

On Monday, the deadline to exercise fifth-year options for 2013 first-rounders, we found out that options were declined on several big-name players from that draft class, including Jacksonville Jaguars offensive tackle Luke Joeckel (No. 2 overall), Cleveland Browns pass rusher Barkevious Mingo (No. 6), Tennessee Titans guard Chance Warmack (No. 10), Buffalo Bills quarterback EJ Manuel (No. 16) and Minnesota Vikings receiver-returner Cordarrelle Patterson (No. 29).

Other options declined: Oakland Raiders CB D.J. Hayden and Devner Broncos nose tackle Sylvester Williams, although you get the idea that both could still end up staying with their respective teams at less money.

The Kansas City Chiefs picked up No. 1 pick Eric Fisher's option, which was in some doubt. The San Diego Chargers picked up the fifth year for OG D.J. Fluker, the 11th pick that year.

Typically, although not in all cases, a team declining a player's option means it's disappointed in their performance, and it's giving him a one-year, make-or-break deal to prove themselves. Likewise, most teams that do pick up the option are happy with the player, and it can be a case of getting an extra year cheap out of a star player and preventing him from hitting the open market.

Of course, there are always exceptions — Robert Griffin III being an excellent one. The Washington Redskins elected to pick up RG3's fifth year and then ended up not even playing him this past season, likely for fear of him getting hurt, which would fully guarantee his 2017 money. Instead, they released him this offseason, and Griffin is now a Brown.

Another fifth-year option that was exercised was that of the New York Jets' Quinton Coples, but the team released him less than seven months later. On the flip side, Doug Martin was declined by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he turned it into a franchise tag and some new money from the team. Also declined: Melvin Ingram by the San Diego Chargers, who later signed him to an extension.

So it's not a hard-and-fast statement of hatred when the fifth-year option is declined, nor is it love when it's picked up, but it's clear that Mingo, Warmack and Patterson are heading into prove-it years. For Warmack, who has played well of late, it might be more of a case of a top-10 guard who would earn $12 million in 2017, so perhaps an extension can be worked out with him. But unless injuries change the landscape, Manuel doesn't appear to be getting much of a chance in Buffalo.

The 2013 draft, of course, wasn't a total wash. First-rounders Ziggy Ansah, Sheldon Richardson, Lane Johnson, Kyle Long and Star Lotulelei have become very good players, and there are a handful of other serviceable ones. After that, there were a handful of gems: Le'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy and Jamie Collins in Round 2, Keenan Allen in Round 3 and a few more.

But by and large, this is the worst of the draft classes in recent years. Let's hope that the 2016 crop, less than 48 hours in the books, has a far brighter future than this one.
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