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Old 10-17-2005, 10:10 AM  
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I chatted with this "Indian" guy while standin in line at the pisser yesterday!

I posted some of the conversation at FFT, and just thought I'd share them here:

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well, he wasn't really Indian. But he had on the beads and the clothes and stuff, so I asked him, "so umm, are you of native american heritage?"

I was kinda stumped at first, on how to approach the conversation :unsure:


But then he was like, "no, I'm not. But a bunch of my friends are and they are down here today protesting and I am trying to find them."

So we started talking, and I asked if they were offended by the names of the teams. He mentioned not so much the Chiefs but with the redskins. And I kinda agreed and mentioned the fact that the term redskin is actually derogative.

So then I started going on about the Chiefs and where they got their name. The Chiefs were actually named (when they moved from Dallas) for the mayor of KC (could have been former mayor), Roe Bartle. They called Mayor Bartle "Chief", because of what he had done to honor the native americans and his leadership skills. I don't know all the specifics, just have heard the story.


But to pay tribute to the mayor, who had paid tribute to the native americans during his lifetime, the city decided to call the team the Chiefs.

The Indian looking guy said the use of the word "Chief" really wasnt an issue, but the tomahawk chop and guys dressed up in headbands with gold and red paint was a disgrace to their culture.

Then we started going on about how most people don't think of any of it as offesnive, just team names and something they have grown accustomed to with the major sports. I don't think anyone means any harm, it's just a mascot of a sports franchise.

I did mention that it was kind of sad that when the Spaniards invaded Mexico, they blended with the natives on the land and still incorporate some of those same customs and heritage in today's culture. However, here in the US we just basically murdered all the natives and sent them to refuges.

What's weird is I'm probably more native american than the guy I was talking to was. I think my great-grandfather's dad was full-blooded native american, but my great-grandfather was adopted by a different faimly. or something like that :unsure:

It still seems weird to me that native americans would be offended by the use of Mascots. I guess you can't really relate or understand it, because you are not one. But I didn't see what the big deal was :unsure:
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:36 AM   #16
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""I did mention that it was kind of sad that when the Spaniards invaded Mexico, they blended with the natives on the land and still incorporate some of those same customs and heritage in today's culture. However, here in the US we just basically murdered all the natives and sent them to refuges.""

Yeah, now they are all trying to wade across the rio grande to get into the states because some of those customs has made Mexico one of the most corrupt third-world countries in the world.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:39 AM   #17
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I thought the stadium was pretty loud yesterday, but I'd give it a 7 out of 10
It got rockin' on that one drive late in the game. Reminded me what Arrowhead used to be like. Amazing what production from the defensive players does for the crowd. It's a two way street, and the players finally gave as much as they got.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:43 AM   #18
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Well, speaking as the Heinz 57 that I am I feel that persons making any reference to any culture in any context should be severely punished by the PC Police!
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:43 AM   #19
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I thought that there was a rule about men speaking to each other in the bathroom?
Years ago at Arrowhead, I was at the far right end of the trough doing my stuff when some dude did an end-around and pushed up to me on my right and started doing his stuff. I am usually silent in the bathroom, but in this case, I had to say, "Hey, could you PLEASE stop pissing on my boot?" Then I vowed to myself if this same guy follows me to the sink and starts washing his hands under the same faucet as I am, I will kick his ass. However, he did not wash his hands; he just lit up a cigarette and left through the entry door, not the exit.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:45 AM   #20
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One of the funny things was that the old head dress and outfit that the old Chiefs maskot wore was designed with help from the same indian council that is protesting it now.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:46 AM   #21
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Years ago at Arrowhead, I was at the far right end of the trough doing my stuff when some dude did an end-around and pushed up to me on my right and started doing his stuff. I am usually silent in the bathroom, but in this case, I had to say, "Hey, could you PLEASE stop pissing on my boot?" Then I vowed to myself if this same guy follows me to the sink and starts washing his hands under the same faucet as I am, I will kick his ass. However, he did not wash his hands; he just lit up a cigarette and left through the entry door, not the exit.
Sounds like he was unimpressed, since he obviously was a back door man.
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:57 AM   #22
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A few years back, a guy who called himself "Falstaff" came on here and started this argument: "The Chiefs are racist." In his thread, he got blasted over and over. This was my reply:

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I know those guys are long gone, but for what it's worth...

Let's start with the term "racist":
It's not racist to like the Chiefs or the Braves or to LIKE anything else. It's racist when you HATE some one because of their race. Stereotyping is something totally different altogether. Racists believe they would be better off if the other "race(s)" would go away or die off. Surely you would agree that the Chiefs or any other sports organization is in no way supporting this belief. Racists are prone to violence, not football.

Next up... Stereotyping:
Let's start off with a lesson about what makes up "bad" stereotypes. Take trailer parks for example. Two major stereotypes exist. One, low income white people that listen to ACDC and Lynard Skynard live there. That is clearly a derogatory stereotype. Two, that trailer parks are frequently hit by tornadoes. (not derogatory)
The stereotype of an indian having a headress and wearing warpaint and hanging around with other indians in a tribe and one of them being the chief is not derogatory. It's just a portrayal. The stereotype of indians prancing around a fire going "woo woo" and scalping innocent people, now that is derogatory. So your beef isn't with sports franchises it's with old Hollywood movies.

Next, a lesson in the English language and the importance of context.

Several times in this thread you have made known your frustrations with us on the board taking your comments out of context. So you know the importance of what is said isn't as important as WHY it is said. Moreover, in pro sports, the indian names and mascots etc... are used in the context of comradary and sportsmanship, not to mach or poke fun at the american indians or their culture. To take it that way is as bad as us taking your well meant comments out of context.

Also, I see your point about some people being offended anyway. I am not so biggoted that I just say that it's their problem. Out of respect for you, I would not go to your house for dinner and wear my Chiefs sweater if I knew you felt this way. The same way I will only do the "chop" at Chiefs games in the context of football and sports. I would NEVER drive by a reservation and do the "chop" That would be totally inapropriate and VERY offensive. The same way, if I was at the Vietnam Memorial I would not sing ... and the home of the CHIEFS. That would be very offensive to the men who died for my freedom. However, I will screem CHIEFS at the top of my lungs at Arrowhead stadium because, I am glad that in this country, I can go root for these guys instead of getting up in the morning to throw rocks at the tanks in my front yard.

By the way, there are no teams called the "white men" or the "black guys" because those ethnic groups are too wide spread to be powerful symbols. If white people travled together in small, tight knit groups than you would probably see those titles in sports too. Consider: gypsies, nomads, pirates, indians, cowboys, outlaws, sodiers, infantry, etc... all of these are smaller groups and all would be/are fine names for teams except maybe gypsies: sounds too feminine, but you get the point.
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Old 10-17-2005, 11:03 AM   #23
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I posted some of the conversation at FFT, and just thought I'd share them here:



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You know, one way to make all this right would be to give back to the Native Americans. In my will, it states that all of my personal belongings and possessions {everything} will be given to the Kansa tribe. I feel that I should give back to them what was theirs before it was mine
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Old 10-17-2005, 11:15 AM   #24
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You know, one way to make all this right would be to give back to the Native Americans. In my will, it states that all of my personal belongings and possessions {everything} will be given to the Kansa tribe. I feel that I should give back to them what was theirs before it was mine
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Old 10-17-2005, 11:31 AM   #25
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"I chatted with this "Indian" guy while standin in line at the pisser yesterday!"

Maybe he thought he was in "international" waters!





Sorry, coudn't resist throwing in an old topic mixed in with some lavatory humor.......
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Old 10-17-2005, 11:50 AM   #26
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There you go again with your painful stereotypes and misinterpretation of their culture. This is the kind of stuff that stunts a young brave's self esteem and makes him turn to firewater.
firewater? *perk*
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:32 PM   #27
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:38 PM   #28
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When I first opened this I was reading" I chanted with this Indian guy at the pisser. My first response was going to be, "Sweeeeeeeeeet"

Then I read on.....
and my second response is, how many beers did u consume before taking that long of a piss?????
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:39 PM   #29
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You know, one way to make all this right would be to give back to the Native Americans. In my will, it states that all of my personal belongings and possessions {everything} will be given to the Kansa tribe. I feel that I should give back to them what was theirs before it was mine
Oooo your children are going to be pissssssed!!!... unless all you have is debt.
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:23 PM   #30
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Hey..I can see why Native Americans would be pissed at the "ethnic" names of sports teams!


I wouldn't want my heritage associted with Strength, Speed, Agility, Intelligence, Toughness or Physical Abilities beyond that of the average man.

What an insult!
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