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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:24 PM

I learned a long time ago exactly what the hive mind Chiefs Planet brain trust is worth when everyone fell over themselves to get Hugh Douglas and that was gonna lead us to the Superbowl.

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

You're not based in reality. You know what reality is? You're a loser MU fan. MU has never won a championship, or even been to a championship game, so that translates into being cynical about the Chiefs. No one like to hear your loser, cynical thoughts.

I feel like things really diverted from you not being able to back up your own made up words.

Sucks to be called out for being wrong.

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's funny that you hate Geno, yet love Foles when Foles did the same things in college and last year you hate Geno for.

So I guess that this take Wilson out of the question to the Chiefs, cause he was shit this year against good teams for the most part.

But it's cool, you should be happy, cause it looks liek we aren't drafting Geno.

It must hurt to know that Geno isn't viewed as first overall pick worthy. I get it.

But you gotta trust our GM and coach. We're going to have to anyway.

**RealSNR** · 02-16-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Unlike the Geno fanboy association, I've accepted the fact that Wilson isn't worth the first overall pick.

And it's because he supposedly "didn't show up against good teams?" That's dumb if that's the case.

Cam Newton was not impressive at all in the interview process. He had maginal to adequate accuracy, sloppy footwork, and knew next to nothing about reading NFL defenses. His playbook at Auburn was about as long and as complicated as a Dr. Seuss book.

If you're saying he was the #1 overall pick because he won all his games, that's insanely idiotic.

And it's dumb of you to detract from Tyler Wilson's ability for that reason.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-16-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Is the new front office completely tone-deaf? How can Clark, and now Dorsey, not be able to read the tea leaves on how much fans want a new QB?

I can't think of one positive reason to say this. I can't find any logical smokescreen potential in it.

I imagine they're more concerned about what THEY think about players than what fans want. If they don't feel any QB is worthy of #1, they'll find one elsewhere. If they win the fans will forgive and forget. What's the old saying... listen to the fans too much and soon you'll be sitting with them.

|Zach| · 02-16-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Thanks for changing the subject.

What do you think the Chiefs should do at QB, smart boy?

Whatever the hell is best for the team. You think I am trying to be some armchair GM here I am not that is a game for your kids to play just saying it looks like the Chiefs are in a shit situation and it sucks.

milkman · 02-16-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

He actually showed up against good teams.

Geno had two sub-par games, and was the primary reason that WVU was is in every other game.

That is what you call spiraling?

O.city · 02-16-2013, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

It must hurt to know that Geno isn't viewed as first overall pick worthy. I get it.

But you gotta trust our GM and coach. We're going to have to anyway.

You dont' get shit moron.

Explain to me your Foles love when he was an air raid Qb in college and in the shotgun 80% of the time last year? I thought you hated that shit?

Although on the brightside, as I've said many times, it looks liek we will be able to get Wilson a QB I like as well, in the third round.

JohnnyHammersticks · 02-16-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Pretty much.

I think a bunch of people are just rationalizing the shit out of the situation as a defense mechanism because it sucks so bad.

You're exactly right, but can you blame them? The ONE ****ING TIME we get the #1 pick and it's probably the first time in history that Kiper doesn't even have a qb going in the 1st round. Not that Kiper knows his ass from a hole in the ground, but still...it's just our luck. The only thing I can think of is that Arrowhead was built on top of indian burial mounds, because we are ****ing cursed.

In58men · 02-16-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

No reason to blow smoke when you have the first pick.

Lmao.

He called me a dumb ass

Hammock Parties · 02-16-2013, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Whatever the hell is best for the team. You think I am trying to be some armchair GM here I am not that is a game for your kids to play just saying it looks like the Chiefs are in a shit situation and it sucks.

The only reason it sucks is because there's literally NO REASON not to take a QB.

No other position is even worth the #1 pick.

**RealSNR** · 02-16-2013, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

I learned a long time ago exactly what the hive mind Chiefs Planet brain trust is worth when everyone fell over themselves to get Hugh Douglas and that was gonna lead us to the Superbowl.

You're as bad as Dane.

NOBODY is saying Geno or any other QB is going to lead us to a Super Bowl. Many people are saying they are our best chance, but nobody thinks #1 overall QB + Chiefs = AUTOMATIC SUPER BOWL

**The Franchise** · 02-16-2013, 06:30 PM

The knock on Geno is he may not hold up in a game?

How many ****ing games did he miss because of injury in college?

O.city · 02-16-2013, 06:30 PM

If we aren't taking a Qb at 1, I would think about not signing Albert and just taking Joeckel.

58-4ever · 02-16-2013, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach|

I feel like things really diverted from you not being able to back up your own made up words.

Sucks to be called out for being wrong.

Ummmm, not sure where I was wrong. You are a loser. You disappear when you get called out for being wrong. Both are facts.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2369611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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