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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:22 AM   #226
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I don't expect this year's team to be the norm.

I expected this in YEAR ONE.

And I think we'll upgrade the "QB surroundings" until we draft a QB (which I fully expect to happen.)

I don't expect it to be a QB this draft either...
Bray could be the future.
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Bray WILL the future.
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I can't wait until we play a team and our offense sputters the entire game. There will be some ****ing douche on this BB that blames the DEF for not keeping them in the entire game and only allowing 3 points.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:24 AM   #231
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Well many of the "haters" were fully on the Draft Geno bandwagon. I was there as well. we really wanted a different QB to learn the system as a rookie and we were willing to go through the growing pains. The coaching staff went a different route and like it or not this is a short passing version of martyball. Most will hate that and although it isn't flashy or great it's exactly what Clark wanted to get the "True Fans" back on board.
I was on the Geno bandwagon, too. But I knew as far back as January that it wasn't going to happen, and while I was disappointed we chose not to go that way, he stopped being a relevant topic for this team at the end of April, once he became a Jet. Now he has absolutely no bearing on how the Chiefs offense is executing now. He's certainly not relevant to this discussion in any way.

Speaking just for myself, I don't think I've even mentioned him in a thread on my own volition in weeks, if not months. I will respond if he's brought into a discussion, and I will continue to keep a curious eye on his progress, but to be honest I don't even think about the guy unless somebody else brings him up.

I'm sure my perception is biased, but from where I'm sitting it sure seems like the anti-Geno people bring him up a LOT more than any of his fans on the site do. It's like they can't let a sleeping dog lie. Just random interjections in the middle of conversations that have nothing to do with him. With some obvious exceptions (the geno vs alex thread, etc. - I have those ignored, so I don't know what's going on there, I'm just talking in general).

I wish they'd just let it go, to be honest.
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I was on the Geno bandwagon, too. But I knew as far back as January that it wasn't going to happen, and while I was disappointed we chose not to go that way, he stopped being a relevant topic for this team at the end of April, once he became a Jet. Now he has absolutely no bearing on how the Chiefs offense is executing now. He's certainly not relevant to this discussion in any way.

Speaking just for myself, I don't think I've even mentioned him in a thread on my own volition in weeks, if not months. I will respond if he's brought into a discussion, and I will continue to keep a curious eye on his progress, but to be honest I don't even think about the guy unless somebody else brings him up.

I'm sure my perception is biased, but from where I'm sitting it sure seems like the anti-Geno people bring him up a LOT more than any of his fans on the site do. It's like they can't let a sleeping dog lie. Just random interjections in the middle of conversations that have nothing to do with him. With some obvious exceptions (the geno vs alex thread, etc. - I have those ignored, so I don't know what's going on there, I'm just talking in general).

I wish they'd just let it go, to be honest.
Gotcha on the Geno thing, do you agree on the Passing version of Martyball thing though? I mean we pretty much knew it was coming.
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Bray could be the future.
So could me winning a $200k scratchers ticket.

I have more problems with Bray as a person than as an athlete/QB...
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I was on the Geno bandwagon, too. But I knew as far back as January that it wasn't going to happen, and while I was disappointed we chose not to go that way, he stopped being a relevant topic for this team at the end of April, once he became a Jet. Now he has absolutely no bearing on how the Chiefs offense is executing now. He's certainly not relevant to this discussion in any way.

Speaking just for myself, I don't think I've even mentioned him in a thread on my own volition in weeks, if not months. I will respond if he's brought into a discussion, and I will continue to keep a curious eye on his progress, but to be honest I don't even think about the guy unless somebody else brings him up.

I'm sure my perception is biased, but from where I'm sitting it sure seems like the anti-Geno people bring him up a LOT more than any of his fans on the site do. It's like they can't let a sleeping dog lie. Just random interjections in the middle of conversations that have nothing to do with him. With some obvious exceptions (the geno vs alex thread, etc. - I have those ignored, so I don't know what's going on there, I'm just talking in general).

I wish they'd just let it go, to be honest.
It's mainly the people who refuse to state their opinion during draft time. They love to come in during the season and shit on anybody who actually had an opinion.
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Yep. But she's not gonna be there, she has ER duty.
Question: when she has to jam the catheter in a male does she feel empathy or joy?...
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Yep. But she's not gonna be there, she has ER duty.

Damn, I was getting ready to install the stripper pole and everything.
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So could me winning a $200k scratchers ticket.

I have more problems with Bray as a person than as an athlete/QB...
What do you have against him?
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It's mainly the people who refuse to state their opinion during draft time. They love to come in during the season and shit on anybody who actually had an opinion.
It's also the people who dislike Clay.

They argue the poster, instead of the post, say something stupid - and then others get involved.

Before you know it, it's a free for all and the Clay bashers have turned the argument into something completely different.
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Gotcha on the Geno thing, do you agree on the Passing version of Martyball thing though? I mean we pretty much knew it was coming.
Yeah, but I think it's Martyball by execution, not Martyball by design. I think Andy Reid wants an offense that sustains drives and scores points. There's no doubt in my mind about that. To borrow a phrase from someone earlier in the thread, I don't think he's any more satisfied than I am with an offense that has 1 or 2 good drives a week and 10 bad ones.
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Yep. But she's not gonna be there, she has ER duty.
Almost forgot the obligatory.....


I've got an ER..........IN MY PANTS!!!1!!11!
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