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Old 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM  
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SCOTUS Gay Marriage Opinions

DOMA - Federal law which allows one state to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state, and which federally bans gay marriage.

Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional. The rest of DOMA still remains. This means that federal law must recognize same-sex marriage, but since Section 2 remains standing, states are still free to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state. That will likely be challenged in a future court case.

5-4 decision, Kennedy and the 4 liberals. The conservatives are split with 3 dissents.


Prop 8 - California Gay Marriage ban.

The 9th circuit appeal is dismissed due to lack of standing. We now know definitively that if the state government refuses to defend a state proposition, the prop sponsers can still go to court, but they can not appeal if they lose. The decision by the 9th circuit is also gone. Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling stands, and is final. Gay Marriage is legal in CA.

5-4 decision, Roberts, Scalia, and 3 of the liberals. Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor would have found standing and proceeded to the merits. The question on whether a fundamental right to gay marriage exists countrywide will have to wait for another day.

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Old 06-29-2013, 08:42 PM   #181
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Teachers are not paid what their worth; like almost every other employee, they are paid the least amount they are willing to accept like everyone else.

I really hope that "logic" was comedy and not really an argument. If its comedy thank you for the laugh.
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:58 PM   #182
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Guess we don't need firefighters and police officers, they make less than social workers.
I don't even know what you're arguing. Of course we need them. Are we having trouble filling these positions? What's your argument ?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:38 PM   #183
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If this thread teaches us anything, its that teachers definitely aren't worth much with this crowd.
Despite that assessment of their worth, their kids teacher will probably risk or give up their lives to try to save their kid if a shooter comes to their school or a tornado comes to town.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:41 PM   #184
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These idiots homeschool.
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Old 06-29-2013, 11:38 PM   #185
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Despite that assessment of their worth, their kids teacher will probably risk or give up their lives to try to save their kid if a shooter comes to their school or a tornado comes to town.
Are you suggesting the rest of us wouldn't protect kids if a shooter came around?
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Old 06-29-2013, 11:39 PM   #186
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These idiots homeschool.
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Old 06-29-2013, 11:53 PM   #187
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Bullshit. I've tired of people floating this fabrication. Teachers are not paid what their worth; like almost every other employee, they are paid the least amount they are willing to accept.
Yes, yes. The good ones are also worth fond feelings and pleasant memories and a great deal of gratitude. But when it comes to money, they're worth the least amount they're willing to accept.
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Old 06-29-2013, 11:54 PM   #188
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Are you suggesting the rest of us wouldn't protect kids if a shooter came around?
When was the last time you heard of a bank teller or car salesman taking a bullet for a customer?
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:28 AM   #189
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Yes, yes. The good ones are also worth fond feelings and pleasant memories and a great deal of gratitude. But when it comes to money, they're worth the least amount they're willing to accept.
But then, aren't we all?
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:48 AM   #190
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But then, aren't we all?
Yep. And there's no sense in blaming anyone but myself for it. I might in fact be worth more to my employer or to my client or whomever, but I'll never know that because the least amount I'm willing to accept is a valuation that I have determined on my own. The moment I accept it, I have set my own limit. What I'm worth is entirely in my control.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:38 AM   #191
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I don't even know what you're arguing. Of course we need them. Are we having trouble filling these positions? What's your argument ?
You are the one who said pay was a reflection of need, not me.
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Sure it does. Are you just making stuff up as you go? The free market determines "societies need" for each position, and the government market determines what taxpayers will pay for each public position.


Therefore pay is absolutely reflective of "societal need".
Pay reflects uniqueness of talents.

There are a ton of jobs that are needed highly in society that a lot of people can do.

Conversely there are a lot of jobs of little, superfluous, leisurely worth that only a few can do.

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Old 06-30-2013, 09:49 AM   #193
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Sure it does. Are you just making stuff up as you go? The free market determines "societies need" for each position, and the government market determines what taxpayers will pay for each public position.


Therefore pay is absolutely reflective of "societal need".
Stop being such a retard. The free market determines how much money an individual can make in a free economy. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a measure of "societal need".

By your argument, the societal need for entertainers and athletes far outweighs the societal need for doctors, police officers, school teachers, fire fighters, and construction workers.
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Stop being such a retard. The free market determines how much money an individual can make in a free economy. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a measure of "societal need".

By your argument, the societal need for entertainers and athletes far outweighs the societal need for doctors, police officers, school teachers, fire fighters, and construction workers.

I can think of few things more retarded than a Liberal's concept of "societal need". Karl Marx would know more about that than would I.
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Yep. And there's no sense in blaming anyone but myself for it. I might in fact be worth more to my employer or to my client or whomever, but I'll never know that because the least amount I'm willing to accept is a valuation that I have determined on my own. The moment I accept it, I have set my own limit. What I'm worth is entirely in my control.

Thing is, everybody is for the most part fairly compensated. If they weren't, they'd leave their jobs no? If a person really feels he is being paid too low he would be a fool to stick around at such an employer. Anyone who felt he was paid too much would be a fool to leave.


There will always be some level of inequity given certain types of jobs that similar workers do. The IT department at your company might pay somebody a bit more than a similarly-qualified worker. But overall in a market of 130 million people employed and in a human system where some error is to be expected, labor compensation is remarkably fairly priced.
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