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Old 10-06-2019, 11:30 PM  
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Defense narrative is wrong on this game

Chiefs lost because on 10 offensive possessions they scored 13 points. They had plenty of possessions. When you can't convert 1st downs your TOP suffers. It's simply wrong that Indys rush game was why they won. Chiefs gave up 4 ypc, league average, and only 330 total.

Lots of running requires long drives with many opportunities to be stopped, which the chiefs did every drive except the first. Unless you convert those to TDs you aren't scoring enough to win in the modern NFL without a great defense. 19 points won't get it done.

Even in the AFCCG the chiefs only yielded 3.7 ypc. But they couldn't stop the short pass game and gave up 7 TDs. This year's team is getting stops at key times the last two weeks. This week they eliminated big plays except the PI.

The defense has not been good. But it's been good enough to be 5-0, and is getting better. Online is trash, and is not helped by Andy never running the ball or enough screens/draws to keep the opposing D line honest. We get Mo next week and hopefully a trade or two to add a DB and possibly front 7 piece. Chiefs are gonna getcha, yarhoooo.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:15 AM   #31
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Stats. 19 points. Under league and Indy average. Average yardage allowed despite offense inability to keep them off the field. Your point?
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38 minutes to 22 minutes TOP

71 plays to 51 plays

3 11 play drives, one of which was over 7 minutes, plus a 14 play, 9 minute drive that bled over half the game away, keeping Mahomes on the bench.

FACTS.

STATS.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:19 AM   #32
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No doubt but remember what we asked for was just good enough. We didnít ask for a great defense, we asked for a good enough defense to not lose games 51-54 and 43-40. We got the improvement needed, we are an offensive strengthed team, canít expect more. Just good enough that if we score 30+ we win which seems to be lived up to.
This defense is just "good enough" to get us beat in the playoffs when the Colts come back to Arrowhead on wildcard weekend.

This defense is WORSE than last years.

They got ****ing manhandled out there. They had no answer for the Colts.

A Colts team who got beat by the ****ing RAIDERS last week. A Colts team that kept going for it on 4th down, because they did not respect that defense. A Colts team whose only pass attempt in the 4th quarter got called back for a penalty, so they just quit passing and RAN THE BALL DOWN OUR ****ING THROATS AT WILL.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:21 AM   #33
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Our pass defense is actually hovering right outside of top 10 at 13th right now. It’s just that our run defense is 30th
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:23 AM   #34
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Our pass defense is actually hovering right outside of top 10 at 13th right now. Itís just that our run defense is 30th
Run defense is THE liability.

Tyreek will be back, Fisher will be back...offense will be fine.

No one coming to help that run D unless Veach works a miracle.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:26 AM   #35
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This defense is just "good enough" to get us beat in the playoffs when the Colts come back to Arrowhead on wildcard weekend.

This defense is WORSE than last years.

They got ****ing manhandled out there. They had no answer for the Colts.

A Colts team who got beat by the ****ing RAIDERS last week. A Colts team that kept going for it on 4th down, because they did not respect that defense. A Colts team whose only pass attempt in the 4th quarter got called back for a penalty, so they just quit passing and RAN THE BALL DOWN OUR ****ING THROATS AT WILL.
There is no way this defense is worse than last year. We lost a game we put up 51 in last year, never forget that.

Allowing 19 would have been enough to win all of the 25 games we’ve played offensively before this one.

I get that you guys want the defense to actually be a good defense but I don’t expect that to happen, I just want to not lose games in the playoffs where we put up 31 points and this defense can get that done. That’s enough to win a SB when the offense shows up like it will every game when we’re healthy again.

We won’t lose to the Colts in the playoffs with a healthy team while allowing 19, because we would be scoring at least 5 out of the 10 possessions just like this team did consistently every game last year.
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:28 AM   #36
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STATS :

38 minutes to 22 minutes TOP

71 plays to 51 plays

3 11 play drives, one of which was over 7 minutes, plus a 14 play, 9 minute drive that bled over half the game away, keeping Mahomes on the bench.

FACTS.

STATS.
When you can't achieve a first down on offense your TOP goes down, as does your number of plays run. If the opposition holds the ball and only nets a FG it does not work to their advantage. Chiefs typically lose TOP because they score quickly, a good thing. Running teams will on average have more plays and TOP and fewer points scored in the modern NFL. There's a reason nobody plays "smash mouth football".
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Old 10-07-2019, 12:37 AM   #37
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When you can't achieve a first down on offense your TOP goes down, as does your number of plays run. If the opposition holds the ball and only nets a FG it does not work to their advantage. Chiefs typically lose TOP because they score quickly, a good thing. Running teams will on average have more plays and TOP and fewer points scored in the modern NFL. There's a reason nobody plays "smash mouth football".
The offense will be fine. Tyreek will be back, Fisher will be back...

But this run defense will get us beat in January.

The Colts will come back to Arrowhead and do this to us again. And IF we sneak by them, NE most certainly will do it to us again, just like last year.

"Defense held them to 19 points, derpdederp!"

Yeah, if the Colts hadn't have shot themselves in the foot they would have had at least 15 more points (once on the interception and on 2 of the FG drives). Part of why the Colts only scored 19 points was because they didn't NEED anymore...because 2 of their possessions took up 16 minutes of the game in the 2nd half, and they knew they weren't going to give the Chiefs enough time to come back.
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Right now it’s us the Pats and the Bills fighting for that #1 seed
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Right now it’s us the Pats and the Bills fighting for that #1 seed
Don't think Bills are gonna be that competitive for the 1 seed. Imo our main competition other than the Pats is the Texans. This next weeks game is gonna be big for playoff seeding implications.
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Right now itís us the Pats and the Bills fighting for that #1 seed


We better focus on next week.

The Revenge of Carlos Hyde. Looked like he had AIDS behind our dicksucker Oline, gonna look like an All-pro against our Dline that loves the buttsects.
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In a 6 drive stretch the D only allowed 2 field goals.

If our offense was the normal offense then we win that game easy. They were not for a number of reasons.

The D wasn't great and does deserve their fair share of the blame but they were also part of the reason that we were in the game in the first place
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Don't think Bills are gonna be that competitive for the 1 seed. Imo our main competition other than the Pats is the Texans. This next weeks game is gonna be big for playoff seeding implications.
Carlos Hyde is going to kick our asses next week.
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In a 6 drive stretch the D only allowed 2 field goals.
That 6 drive stretch was over half the game, though.
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That 6 drive stretch was over half the game, though.
True. But if our offense does their normal thing we put that game away during those 6 drives don't we?

I am worried about the run d sure. But the D was not as bad as some make it seem tonight.
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Our run D is a joke but so is our offense, which is supposed to be the strength. Even when we had the ball we looked like complete shit and that's a legitimate concern going forward.

Injuries or no injuries, good teams win these games just look at the Pats and the laundry list of injuries they have.
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