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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 08:36 PM

So you don't agree with RunKC, O.City.

If Dorsey doesn't want to touch QB at #1, you're not fine with it. At least that's what I gather from your last two posts.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

No, it's not when you keep the big picture in mind.

Star isn't much different than Tyson Jackson. Good run defender, lacks pass rush skills. If we deem that as a need, just offer him a reasonable long term extension...which IMO we should anyway. Do that and bring in Chris Canty and the defensive line is set. No need for Star unless we make a hole.

I'd like Milliner, but I can see Dorsey finding another Tramon Williams and not needing to invest that much there...a second or third will be enough to get a quality starting second corner.

This team needs a quarterback and I want them to lift up their skirt, grab their balls and have he courage to take a chance for once.

Period

Yeah, I agree about Star, I hate taking a guy that early again who isn't a pass rusher.

But there are other options out there. No problem discussing them.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

So you don't agree with RunKC, O.City.

If Dorsey doesn't want to touch QB at #1, you're not fine with it. At least that's what I gather from your last two posts.

I will be upset with it, yes. I like Geno alot.

But I also like Barkley and Wilson alot. It just comes down to would you rather take Geno and Amerson/Trufant etc, or Milliner and maybe Wilson or Barkley.

Hell, some are saying Wilson might be available in the third round.

If I could have Star/2nd best CB/Wilson out of this draft, I do that any day.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:40 PM

I have noticed that KC fans go right to the negatives in regards to a first round QB. "he might bust, set us back years, too risky etc", which is crazy in that they've never actually seen that first hand.

I don't understand that.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 08:42 PM

I said this a lot during the season, but if we had won enough games to be picking 10th or so, I'd be hoping we would trade up for a QB.

I totally disagree with the talking heads about this QB class.

If Barkley and Geno were in last years draft, they both probably go before Tannehill.

Titty Meat · 02-17-2013, 08:43 PM

Is anyone else concerned Geno only completed 33 percent of his passes under center?

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:44 PM

Guys its also still February.

Kiper is already saying with a good combine Geno coudl be a top 10 pick. Barkley is starting to rise back up, and further will with his great personality and knowledge.

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 08:44 PM

All depends on who is the best QB in Dorsey's eyes. Just because people think Geno is the best doesn't mean Dorsey does too.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Is anyone else concerned Geno only completed 33 percent of his passes under center?

I did see that and it concerned me alot. I dug into it a little more.

When he was under center, they ran play action nearly 100% of the time and pushed it down the field.

Add that to the fact that Reid had Foles in the shotgun over 75 % of his snaps last year. So yes, it is a concern but it seems there are some explanations for it.

I'm hoping he has been working on this down in Florida as well.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

All depends on who is the best QB in Dorsey's eyes. Just because people think Geno is the best doesn't mean Dorsey does too.

Curious, if Dorsey does in fact think that after the combines and pro days, are you going to agree with him or be upset?

I'm not trying to call you out or anything, just curious.

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Is anyone else concerned Geno only completed 33 percent of his passes under center?

I'm worried about that, him staring down WR's, not reading blitzes very well, throwing into double coverage far more than any other QB, his 44% accuracy rating throwing the ball downfield and his leadership ability.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

All depends on who is the best QB in Dorsey's eyes. Just because people think Geno is the best doesn't mean Dorsey does too.

No shit Sherlock.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I have noticed that KC fans go right to the negatives in regards to a first round QB. "he might bust, set us back years, too risky etc", which is crazy in that they've never actually seen that first hand.

I don't understand that.

I think the majority of casual fans don't watch anything except Chiefs football of the sport. All they know is drafting DL high and being we never draft first round quarterbacks, the only time they see a good one is when he is "the enemy".

It's orally ****ing ridiculous how many times I've read how risky it is to draft quarterbacks coming from a franchise that would e totally fine with drafting Star Lotuiuuyt EVEN AFTER WASTING MOST OF OUR HIGH PICKS IN THE PAST ON DL BUSTS LIKE SIMMS, JACKSON, DORSEY AND OTHERS.

It's mind boggling.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'm worried about that, him staring down WR's, not reading blitzes very well, throwing into double coverage far more than any other QB, his 44% accuracy rating throwing the ball downfield and his leadership ability.

Good thing is, a good part of that can be attributed to bad scheme/coaching.

Same can be said about Wilson this year, cause John L. Smith was a goon. IMO, none of the top 3 had very good coaching in college.

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Curious, if Dorsey does in fact think that after the combines and pro days, are you going to agree with him or be upset?

I'm not trying to call you out or anything, just curious.

I'll roll with it. The guy deserves a chance to pick his own QB.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2339611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	I have noticed that KC fans go right to the negatives in regards to a first round QB. "he might bust, set us back years, too risky etc", which is crazy in that they've never actually seen that first hand. I don't understand that.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	Guys its also still February. Kiper is already saying with a good combine Geno coudl be a top 10 pick. Barkley is starting to rise back up, and further will with his great personality and knowledge.
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